Snap before ready to play

[Rich]

Originally Posted by sorrydog

Offense makes first down 20 yards down field and runs a quick offense. Chains are in the process of being moved and ball is spotted. Umpire is somewhat standing close to the ball and Ready for play has not been blown. The snapper snaps the ball.
The two things to remember: 1. Chains not set 2. Ready-for-play not giving.

What we got?

The U should be over the ball and prevent the snap.

It's rare that a team should be able to snap before a RFP. Makes me think the R is a little pokey in that aspect of the game. We don't need the full chains set to wind the clock. Spot on a yard line, get the box man close enough to get the yard line verbally by the H (assuming you have a good chain crew), and go. A good box man will realize he's the key and will hustle to the H's spot and the chains can fill in afterwards.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

The U should be over the ball and prevent the snap.

There is still a brief time where the U has to back off and when I was the WH on my crew, I gave the U time to get into a safe place. Sometimes teams do not listen and snap the ball anyway. Sometimes players just do not listen to our warnings to "not snap the ball."

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There is still a brief time where the U has to back off and when I was the WH on my crew, I gave the U time to get into a safe place. Sometimes teams do not listen and snap the ball anyway. Sometimes players just do not listen to our warnings to "not snap the ball."

Peace

Once the umpire backs off, they can snap it. Especially when they are time crunched.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Once the umpire backs off, they can snap it. Especially when they are time crunched.

Well not how it is taught to do here. The RFP is just that, the RFP. I the officials are not ready, we do not blow the whistle in. And that is why we often are talking to the QB and snapper to wait until we have blown the whistle. Not much different from what we do on a kick off. Just because we start going off the field does not mean it is OK to kick the football.

Peace

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well not how it is taught to do here. The RFP is just that, the RFP. I the officials are not ready, we do not blow the whistle in. And that is why we often are talking to the QB and snapper to wait until we have blown the whistle. Not much different from what we do on a kick off. Just because we start going off the field does not mean it is OK to kick the football.

Peace

He's in Texas so he's talking NCAA rule. With the 40-second play clock on many downs, the ball is ready for play when the ball is spotted and the U moves away. I do ask that they give me a second to get out, but by rule as soon as I step away they can snap it.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well not how it is taught to do here. The RFP is just that, the RFP. I the officials are not ready, we do not blow the whistle in. And that is why we often are talking to the QB and snapper to wait until we have blown the whistle. Not much different from what we do on a kick off. Just because we start going off the field does not mean it is OK to kick the football.

Peace

We're talking about the NCAA - there is no RFP.

[Bob M.]

REPLY: I was at an inter-conference game (Big-10 vs. ACC) earlier this season. A Big-12 crew was officiating. I was surprised to see the R spot the ball several times. I couldn't figure out the rhyme or reason for him to spot it.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Bob M.

REPLY: I was at an inter-conference game (Big-10 vs. ACC) earlier this season. A Big-12 crew was officiating. I was surprised to see the R spot the ball several times. I couldn't figure out the rhyme or reason for him to spot it.

Big 12 crew ... were they using the "A" official?

Could it be sweeps to the U's side, perhaps U was trailing, and R was simply closer?

[parepat]

Originally Posted by Bob M.

REPLY: I was at an inter-conference game (Big-10 vs. ACC) earlier this season. A Big-12 crew was officiating. I was surprised to see the R spot the ball several times. I couldn't figure out the rhyme or reason for him to spot it.

Funny you mentioned this. I worked a spring game and got dinged for not spotting the ball enough at the R. The U on my normal crew would hit me if I tried to spot more. Is this a trend?

[ajmc]

Sometimes a cooperative player may toss the dead ball to a Referee who happens to be closest, or even standing on, what proves to be the subsequent spot, does it really make sense for him to re-toss the ball to the umpire so he can spot the ball where the Referee is standing?

"no harm, no foul" can apply to things other than contact between players.

[Bob M.]

REPLY: No Mike...they weren't using the "A" official. In fact the L was Walt Coleman Jr. He looks like he's about 17 years old