2 play situations

[yankeesfan]

1st play: 4th down and 10 from team A's own 20, snap goes over the punters head into the endzone where R kicks it out of the endzone. what are the options?

2nd play: 1st and 10 with 15 seconds left quarterback A1 from under center takes a snap and in an attempt to spike it, hits the center in the back of the leg and the ball goes to the ground. what is the call?

[BktBallRef]

1st Play:
If R unintentionally kicked as he tried to pick it up, it would be a safety.

If R intentionally kicks it out of the end zone, which makes no sense whatsoever, it would be penalized from the previous spot.

2nd Play: Incomplete pass.

[yankeesfan]

[QUOTE=BktBallRef;693142]1st Play: No options, it's a safety.

even if R kicks it out of the endzone? it wasn't k.

[Welpe]

For the first play the result of the play is a safety. The penalty will be enforced 15 yards from the previous spot. 1st and 10 for A at the A-35.

[gtwbam]

1st Play:
Agree with Welpe.
Loose ball play, enforced from previous spot,
1st and 10 for A at A's 35.

2nd Play:
Ruling: Intentional Grounding.
Spike attempt violated the exception provision
in Rule 7-5-2. Clock will start on Ready as attempt
to conserve time was done illegally.

[BktBallRef]

[quote=yankeesfan;693143]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

1st Play: No options, it's a safety.

even if R kicks it out of the endzone? it wasn't k.

Thanks. Didn't catch that. Edited.

[yankeesfan]

2nd Play: Incomplete pass.[/QUOTE]

i agree with the incomplete pass on the 2nd play situation. are there any other views on this?

[The Roamin' Umpire]

Originally Posted by yankeesfan

2nd play: 1st and 10 with 15 seconds left quarterback A1 from under center takes a snap and in an attempt to spike it, hits the center in the back of the leg and the ball goes to the ground. what is the call?

Incomplete pass. Anything else here is looking for trouble.

You may be thinking of casebook 7.5.2B here, but in that play, the ball hits the snapper's foot and rebounds into the air, where the QB catches it and spikes it again. The SECOND pass is the one that is illegal, not the first.

[ppaltice]

2nd play is incomplete. The QB has to throw the ball forward to the ground. The rule book does not say that it cannot hit another player in the process of throwing it to the ground. I agree that calling anything else but incomplete is fishing for trouble.

[ChickenOfNC]

Edit: I missed that it was R who kicked the ball.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by yankeesfan

1st play: 4th down and 10 from team A's own 20, snap goes over the punters head into the endzone where R kicks it out of the endzone. what are the options?

2nd play: 1st and 10 with 15 seconds left quarterback A1 from under center takes a snap and in an attempt to spike it, hits the center in the back of the leg and the ball goes to the ground. what is the call?

CANADIAN RULING:

1. Offside Pass. Team A 1D/10 @ Spot of B's kick.
   
2. (Assuming ball in passer's hand when the hand hit the centre.) Need to know where the ball went. The point of release and point where the ball hit the ground.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by ChickenOfNC

I'm sorry, but how are y'all getting previous spot enforcement on play 1? Foul by A behind the basic spot, spot of the foul enforcment. Foul by A in the end zone results in safety. Am I wrong?

The foul is by R/B, not A.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

CANADIAN RULING:

1. Offside Pass. Team A 1D/10 @ Spot of B's kick.
   
2. (Assuming ball in passer's hand when the hand hit the centre.) Need to know where the ball went. The point of release and point where the ball hit the ground.

Uh, wha, huh? Team A gets the ball, 1st and 10 from their -4 (4 yards into the endzone) yard line? Wanna read again and give us the real answer?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Uh, wha, huh? Team A gets the ball, 1st and 10 from their -4 (4 yards into the endzone) yard line? Wanna read again and give us the real answer?

It's Canadian rules so who knows, maybe that's correct.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Welpe

It's Canadian rules so who knows, maybe that's correct.

Only in the game in my head, where they would use that big end zone/goal area to scrimmage from.

I'm intrigued that a dribble by the attacking team that goes out of bounds from behind a goal line is now considered an offside pass, if he got that right.