2 play situations

[slack74]

NFHS You are correct it would be a safety foul behind the basic spot is penalised from the spot therefore its a safety

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by slack74

NFHS You are correct it would be a safety foul behind the basic spot is penalised from the spot therefore its a safety

Um ... what?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by slack74

NFHS You are correct it would be a safety foul behind the basic spot is penalised from the spot therefore its a safety

Objection your honor, asked and answered.

[Reffing Rev.]

In the OP the snap went into the end zone...force is a A/K's snap, meaning we will either have a safety against A/K or a touchdown for B/R (assuming they get possession)

What happens after the ball goes into the end zone cannot change the force that put it there.

R's kick assuming that the OPer meant an intentional act of kicking, then all-but-one 15 yards from previous spot or decline it for a safety.

If though instead and more likely R's kick was inadvertant to an attempt to recover for a touchdown, then when the ball goes out of the end zone it is a safety, as R's touching is nothing more than a muff on a ball K's responsible for putting in the end zone.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

In the OP the snap went into the end zone...force is a A/K's snap, meaning we will either have a safety against A/K or a touchdown for B/R (assuming they get possession)

Well ... you're kind of omitting one other significant possibility ... K recovers the ball and manages to either run it out or kick it out. This is not, defacto, a TD or Safety ... yet.

R's kick assuming that the OPer meant an intentional act of kicking, then all-but-one 15 yards from previous spot or decline it for a safety.

Not really much of an option, eh? K is keeping the ball, 15 yards from the original LOS... maybe even with a first down.

If though instead and more likely R's kick was inadvertant to an attempt to recover for a touchdown, then when the ball goes out of the end zone it is a safety, as R's touching is nothing more than a muff on a ball K's responsible for putting in the end zone.

Yup.

[bkdow]

OK, I am growing more confused as the thread goes on. The force putting the ball into the end-zone was the snap. However, it is still a live ball, so should I not be more concerned on the force that propelled the ball out of the endzone?

In addition, it's a loose ball, so the penalty would be enforced from the spot (which is the goal line) and would be a 15 yard....oh, would someone help me here because I am twisting all out of shape!

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by bkdow

OK, I am growing more confused as the thread goes on. The force putting the ball into the end-zone was the snap. However, it is still a live ball, so should I not be more concerned on the force that propelled the ball out of the endzone?

No. Check the definition of force in Rule 2. No new force can be imparted on the ball while it is in the endzone.

In addition, it's a loose ball, so the penalty would be enforced from the spot (which is the goal line) and would be a 15 yard

This is basic all but one enforcement. Go through the steps of penalty enforcement and you will get your answer.

What type of play is it? (Loose ball or running)

Who committed the foul? (Offense or Defense)

What is the spot of the foul?

Where is the basic spot?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bkdow

OK, I am growing more confused as the thread goes on. The force putting the ball into the end-zone was the snap. However, it is still a live ball, so should I not be more concerned on the force that propelled the ball out of the endzone?

In addition, it's a loose ball, so the penalty would be enforced from the spot (which is the goal line) and would be a 15 yard....oh, would someone help me here because I am twisting all out of shape!

(1) No. Read the rule 2 definition of force.

(2) It's a loose ball play. The basic spot is the previous spot. The all-but-one doesn't apply because the penalty is on R/B.

[Welpe]

Or Rich could give you the answers.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

(2) It's a loose ball play. The basic spot is the previous spot. The all-but-one doesn't apply because the penalty is on R/B.

Sorry Rich, but you've hit a peeve. ABO applies to (nearly) ALL fouls, which is the point of calling it "ALL but one."

It might not apply in the sense that fouls by R/B aren't the "one" mentioned in "all but one," but it DOES apply in the sense that fouls by R/B are among the "all."

In accordance with ABO, (nearly) all fouls by the defense are enforced from the basic spot.