Questionable Calls Superbowl 43

[JasonTX]

What I don't understand is we have all these knuckleheads complaining about the officiating but not a single one is trying to be a solution to making anything better. Get off you lazy boy and go join an officiating group and work your way up to the NFL to improve what you think needs improving. As for sportswriters. In order to drive up their ratings they ALWAYS write about something they perceive to be controversial even if that means creating their own bogus rule in their mind and then write about how the officials missed it. You would never have near as many fans logging on to read about how the officials called a perfect game. Fans just don't care about the good calls an official makes, they really don't care. They'd much rather see officials make bad calls, because that's where our society has gone. We'd much rather have something to rumble about and have someone to point the finger at. But Lord knows the teams can never be blamed. They don't make mistakes right?

[fljet]

Originally Posted by JasonTX

What I don't understand is we have all these knuckleheads complaining about the officiating but not a single one is trying to be a solution to making anything better. Get off you lazy boy and go join an officiating group and work your way up to the NFL to improve what you think needs improving. As for sportswriters. In order to drive up their ratings they ALWAYS write about something they perceive to be controversial even if that means creating their own bogus rule in their mind and then write about how the officials missed it. You would never have near as many fans logging on to read about how the officials called a perfect game. Fans just don't care about the good calls an official makes, they really don't care. They'd much rather see officials make bad calls, because that's where our society has gone. We'd much rather have something to rumble about and have someone to point the finger at. But Lord knows the teams can never be blamed. They don't make mistakes right?

1.I got one solution, stop letting the referee on the field rule on instant replay, have a central office in NY and force Mike Perriera to cover his own *** and not officials. I believe both MLB and NHL have this format, takes the pressure of the head official anyways Im sure they wont mind.

2.Automatic Review all forward pass fumble deals, NFL REFs are very inconsistent on these type of plays.

The first forward pass from SB43, ruled a fumble is a great example, a team should not have to waste a challenge because Mcually and his crew couldnt make a gut decision in crunchtime. It was not even that close in my opinion. A big surprise the 2nd one was ruled a fumble?

3. Get rid of celebration bull**** rules, most are hillarious to watch and do not cause any harm. This is the NFL not pop warner.

4. add another official behind the referee to rule on long returns, since most flanks in the NFL cant get down the field at the same speed as the players. Or get ran over trying to get down the middle of the field. THe flank in the SB was to busy dodging players and coaches on the sideline to see any of the blocks anyways and was WAY behind the play even though harrison runs a 6.5 in the 40

5. No more 15 yard only facemask, anyone who has played footbal knows that incidental contact occurs often. too judgemental of a call. takes the pressure of the official.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by fljet

1.I got one solution, stop letting the referee on the field rule on instant replay, have a central office in NY and force Mike Perriera to cover his own *** and not officials. I believe both MLB and NHL have this format, takes the pressure of the head official anyways Im sure they wont mind.

2.Automatic Review all forward pass fumble deals, NFL REFs are very inconsistent on these type of plays.

The first forward pass from SB43, ruled a fumble is a great example, a team should not have to waste a challenge because Mcually and his crew couldnt make a gut decision in crunchtime. It was not even that close in my opinion. A big surprise the 2nd one was ruled a fumble?

3. Get rid of celebration bull**** rules, most are hillarious to watch and do not cause any harm. This is the NFL not pop warner.

4. add another official behind the referee to rule on long returns, since most flanks in the NFL cant get down the field at the same speed as the players. Or get ran over trying to get down the middle of the field. THe flank in the SB was to busy dodging players and coaches on the sideline to see any of the blocks anyways and was WAY behind the play even though harrison runs a 6.5 in the 40

5. No more 15 yard only facemask, anyone who has played footbal knows that incidental contact occurs often. too judgemental of a call. takes the pressure of the official.

What about the part where you become an official?

[RMR]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What about the part where you become an official?

Yeah, but that would actually take some balls.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fljet

1.I got one solution, stop letting the referee on the field rule on instant replay, have a central office in NY and force Mike Perriera to cover his own *** and not officials. I believe both MLB and NHL have this format, takes the pressure of the head official anyways Im sure they wont mind.

The Referee on the field does not have anything to do with deciding the instant replay. Outside of 2 minutes the coach has the ability to challenge any play within the rules. The Referee has no say when or when they do not review plays; they just apply the challenge if it is for the right reason allowed by the NFL. MLB only reviews plays that involve home runs; they do not review all plays or have the ability to review most plays under the current guidelines. Not ball/strike calls, no out/safe calls, not even fair foul unless it involves home runs.

Originally Posted by fljet

2.Automatic Review all forward pass fumble deals, NFL REFs are very inconsistent on these type of plays.

The first forward pass from SB43, ruled a fumble is a great example, a team should not have to waste a challenge because Mcually and his crew couldnt make a gut decision in crunchtime. It was not even that close in my opinion. A big surprise the 2nd one was ruled a fumble?

Then you would have a delay every time this happen. The current problem with replay is that you would have potentially 20 reviews. Also there are very few NFL officials get wrong. And there are not many conclusive angles. Unless the NFL is going to have grass cameras, you are not going to see all plays anyway.

Originally Posted by fljet

3. Get rid of celebration bull**** rules, most are hillarious to watch and do not cause any harm. This is the NFL not pop warner.

Well the NFL wants to keep a certain image and the other levels have in the past pleaded with the NFL to make these actions illegal. I do not completely disagree about changing the rules, but they are what they are. This has nothing to do with the officials. Officials do not write the rules on these. They only enforce them.

Originally Posted by fljet

4. add another official behind the referee to rule on long returns, since most flanks in the NFL cant get down the field at the same speed as the players. Or get ran over trying to get down the middle of the field. THe flank in the SB was to busy dodging players and coaches on the sideline to see any of the blocks anyways and was WAY behind the play even though harrison runs a 6.5 in the 40

Not going to happen. For one there have not been any problems with long runs. The same issues that are made on other plays are the same issues if the field is flipped.

Originally Posted by fljet

5. No more 15 yard only facemask, anyone who has played footbal knows that incidental contact occurs often. too judgemental of a call. takes the pressure of the official.

It is not a hard call to make. But how would you know. I did not see any problem with these calls.

Peace

[fljet]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The Referee on the field does not have anything to do with deciding the instant replay. Outside of 2 minutes the coach has the ability to challenge any play within the rules. The Referee has no say when or when they do not review plays; they just apply the challenge if it is for the right reason allowed by the NFL. MLB only reviews plays that involve home runs; they do not review all plays or have the ability to review most plays under the current guidelines. Not ball/strike calls, no out/safe calls, not even fair foul unless it involves home runs.



Then you would have a delay every time this happen. The current problem with replay is that you would have potentially 20 reviews. Also there are very few NFL officials get wrong. And there are not many conclusive angles. Unless the NFL is going to have grass cameras, you are not going to see all plays anyway.




Well the NFL wants to keep a certain image and the other levels have in the past pleaded with the NFL to make these actions illegal. I do not completely disagree about changing the rules, but they are what they are. This has nothing to do with the officials. Officials do not write the rules on these. They only enforce them.




Not going to happen. For one there have not been any problems with long runs. The same issues that are made on other plays are the same issues if the field is flipped.



It is not a hard call to make. But how would you know. I did not see any problem with these calls.

Peace

on #1 im talking about the official looking into a camera, have someone else make the ruling, not who decides if there will be a replay I know that is done inside of two minutes by the booth.

on #2 there are not twenty instances per game where the qb gets hit in the act of throwing, get real!!! Maybe 1-2 per game if you average it all out.

#4 did you see Mike Carey get leveled by Matt Ryan? Have you ever seen a flank run into a player or coach? Do you watch football?

#5 facemasks happen quick like everything else, if you have a 5 yarder your not killing a team for a non flagrant twist and or pull. And Im not an idiot I know the after the play official huddles are to discuss wether it was a 5 or a 15 and then who is it on, well when they had the two options.

And yes I understand the NFL rules committee and not the officials make the rules, Im not as ignorant as you keep trying to make me be.

You asked me what I would change that was shooting from my hip

[RMR]

Originally Posted by fljet

#5 facemasks happen quick like everything else, if you have a 5 yarder your not killing a team for a non flagrant twist and or pull. And Im not an idiot I know the after the play official huddles are to discuss wether it was a 5 or a 15 and then who is it on, well when they had the two options.

Apparently you are, since you don't understand how the current facemask rule works.

Anything that was previously a 5 yarder is now no longer penalized. So how are teams getting killed for a "non-flagrant twist and pull"? Oh and if it was either twisted or pulled it's 15. Period.

At least learn the rules before you b!tch about them.

[fljet]

Originally Posted by RMR

Apparently you are, since you don't understand how the current facemask rule works.

Anything that was previously a 5 yarder is now no longer penalized. So how are teams getting killed for a "non-flagrant twist and pull"? Oh and if it was either twisted or pulled it's 15. Period.

At least learn the rules before you b!tch about them.

If you read my thread I am saying I would like to have the 5 and the 15 back, and before the rule was changed there are sometimes hudldles by officials to determine if it is a 5 or 15. not that a face mask penalty in the superbowl should have been a five yarder.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fljet

on #1 im talking about the official looking into a camera, have someone else make the ruling, not who decides if there will be a replay I know that is done inside of two minutes by the booth.

Name one play where this was a problem?

Originally Posted by fljet

on #2 there are not twenty instances per game where the qb gets hit in the act of throwing, get real!!! Maybe 1-2 per game if you average it all out.

Take it up with the NFL. The NFL is a business and they do not want their marquee players out (like Tom Brady) all season long because they get hit illegally. So the NFL Competition Committee (which is not made up of officials BTW) cracked down on these kinds of hits. The NFL would have rather had Tom Brady all season in the playoffs than Matt Ryan that might not win anything. I can guarantee you that one. If you are a season ticket holder, take that up with the NFL or give back your tickets. I am sure someone will take them without any problem.

Originally Posted by fljet

#4 did you see Mike Carey get leveled by Matt Ryan? Have you ever seen a flank run into a player or coach? Do you watch football?

I can guarantee you, I watch more football than you will ever know. Mike Carey getting run into did not prevent the other officials to make a ruling on the play. Actually the Referee is only a secondary person on these kinds of plays. If you were an official, you might know that.

Originally Posted by fljet

#5 facemasks happen quick like everything else, if you have a 5 yarder your not killing a team for a non flagrant twist and or pull. And Im not an idiot I know the after the play official huddles are to discuss wether it was a 5 or a 15 and then who is it on, well when they had the two options.

More ignorance. A 15 yard facemask is not a "flagrant penalty." A flagrant act involves an ejection and I have not seen anyone ejected lately for a facemask and neither have you. If you are going to complain about something, at least know why the penalty is called.

Originally Posted by fljet

And yes I understand the NFL rules committee and not the officials make the rules, Im not as ignorant as you keep trying to make me be.

You asked me what I would change that was shooting from my hip

Well then you need to take that up with those people. I think the bottom line you are scared to become an officials because you could not handle people questioning your judgments (like we are doing now). Then and only then will people maybe start to respect your opinions because it will be based on facts, not what you think the rules are.

Peace

[daggo66]

Originally Posted by fljet

#5 facemasks happen quick like everything else, if you have a 5 yarder your not killing a team for a non flagrant twist and or pull. And Im not an idiot I know the after the play official huddles are to discuss wether it was a 5 or a 15 and then who is it on, well when they had the two options.

And yes I understand the NFL rules committee and not the officials make the rules, Im not as ignorant as you keep trying to make me be.

There is no such thing as a "non flagrant twist and pull." By rule ANY twist and pull is automatically a 15 yard penalty. The 5 yard penalty was for a grasp and release. Don't confuse the word incidental with accidental. Player's are considered to always be in control of their actions, there are no accidents in the rule book.