Questionable Calls Superbowl 43

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

After watching the video, the roughing penalty on Dansby was WEAK. This is the freaking NFL, not tiddlywinks.

If it was weak, change the rule. You cannot hit the holder ever on your own no matter when it happens or how it happens. He was not blocked into him and he had time to avoid any contact. That is the rule at all levels!!!!! (Maybe not the new A-11 Federation )

Originally Posted by zm1283

The holding call against Roderick Hood at the start of the 4th quarter was awful.

I do not remember the play and honestly do not care.

Originally Posted by zm1283

Nobody has explained why the final "fumble" by Warner wasn't reviewed on the field. You all keep claiming it was a fumble, but how would the officials on the field know without replay?

Why should anyone tell you, you already know the rules and understand the philosophies.

The official answer, the replay officials already reviewed the play and did not need to take a different look. It was a fumble, the ball was knocked out of his hand. His arm going forward has nothing to do with a pass when you lose control of the ball. It is called "empty hands." It is not only a common call, but not one that always needs a review. But you knew that right?

Originally Posted by zm1283

Keep up with the character attacks about age, etc. It makes you guys look more desperate.

Then stop acting like a dumbazz. When you get an explanation you claim you know more than anyone here. And you have never officiated a mini mite game before.

[Welpe]

I'm going to say this and be done with this foolishness. The crew did not have a perfect game. If you take the time to actually read some of the officiating forums, you will see this is discussed amongst officials.

You can even feel you had a lousy game, but as an official, to come onto a forum for a sport you do not officiate and to show a total lack of respect for your fellow officials is reprehensible. There are games I feel that NBA officials did not have a great game, I believe that game six of the 2002 Western Conference finals was a good example of such. I'm not about to jump on the basketball forum and start slamming the officials, calling them incompetent, etc. We should be above that and show some professional courtesey where it is due.

I doubt this will sink in, but I am hoping that somewhere it will eventually. We take enough garbage from fans, coaches and even players, we don't need to deal with it from each other. Hopefully as you grow as an official, you will come to realize this.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I'm going to say this and be done with this foolishness. The crew did not have a perfect game. If you take the time to actually read some of the officiating forums, you will see this is discussed amongst officials.

You can even feel you had a lousy game, but as an official, to come onto a forum for a sport you do not officiate and to show a total lack of respect for your fellow officials is reprehensible. There are games I feel that NBA officials did not have a great game, I believe that game six of the 2002 Western Conference finals was a good example of such. I'm not about to jump on the basketball forum and start slamming the officials, calling them incompetent, etc. We should be above that and show some professional courtesey where it is due.

I doubt this will sink in, but I am hoping that somewhere it will eventually. We take enough garbage from fans, coaches and even players, we don't need to deal with it from each other. Hopefully as you grow as an official, you will come to realize this.

Fair enough. It may not even be the officials themselves, although I do think NFL officials are the most inconsistent of any in pro sports.

I'm even more upset with the NFL itself for what it has become. The roughing the passer rules are ridiculous. The celebration rules are ridiculous. That doesn't even scratch the surface. As I said in my last reply, instant replay is a joke.

Believe it or not, I'm not the only person who thinks the NFL favors certain teams over others.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Believe it or not, I'm not the only person who thinks the NFL favors certain teams over others.

Wow, you admit that you are apart of a bunch of idiots.

• I guess the NFL told Kurt Warner to throw an interception on the goal line?
  
• I guess the NFL was favoring a team they took a TD away from (they only got 3)?
  
• I guess the NFL told Samari Rolle (on the sideline and in the 3 yard belt) to run into Larry Fitzgerald so he could not make a tackle on the Harrison before he got to the goal line?
  
• I bet the NFL decided to give the eventual winning team a holding call that not only gave the losing team 2 points, but they gave them a holding call the first play of the final drive (big penalty)?
  
• I guess the NFL told the Cardinals not to tackle and allowed the eventual MVP run 30-40 yards untouched before being tackled inside the 10?
  
• I guess the NFL told the MVP to catch the ball with 3 people guarding him?
  
• I guess the NFL told the Cardinals to have Fitzgerald score with over 2 minutes to go in the game?
  
• I guess the NFL told the Cardinals to miss tackles and not get a hand on Big Ben when he moved in the pocket and made big passes?
  
• I guess the NFL told the Cardinals not to block and allow their QB to make a throw without being hit?
  
• I bet the NFL is at fault for Warner not having the ability as Big Ben to get away from the rush?

I could mention about 10 other things. You are right, the fix was in?

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Believe it or not, I'm not the only person who thinks the NFL favors certain teams over others.

You realize you're accusing the officials of cheating here, right?

[waltjp]

What I find funny is that there are a couple of posters here who are complaining about the calls in the game. They've already made up their mind that they're correct, despite any attempt by others to explain the correct rulings and interpretations to them. The antagonists then claim that we're all officials and will blindly defend our brethren.

The truth is that if you read through this and other threads you'll see where we can be critical of our brothers. Recent threads about Ed Hochuli and Don Cherry come to mind.

[kdf5]

The other problem is that these knotheads don't realize that the official's view standing on the field, watching the game live is one hell of a lot different than sitting in the living room watching replays. All it takes is a glance one direction to miss something in another. Bodies, body parts, can flash in front of you at just the right moment to obscure your vision. I know for myself that I can see something, have to take a moment to process it and it's effect on the game or if it was what I really saw and I'm missing something else.

Take Rothlisberger's TD at the start of the game and the "helping the runner" call that was supposedly missed. It's possible the wing was focused on the position of the ball and didn't see much else. After all what's more important? If you throw the flag and miss where the ball is then these dumbsh8ts will be whining that he didn't see the ball. I'd rather want to know if the ball crossed the line as my first priority.

How about Warner's fumble that was reviewed and became an incomplete pass? I'm guessing there was no way for the white hat to see his arm in the position he was in when he threw the ball. However, one thing is very clear and that was Warner's fumble at the end of the game. I had no doubt it was a fumble. These knotheads just find it easier to sit back and whine than to get off their lazy butts and become an official.

[RMR]

Originally Posted by waltjp

What I find funny is that there are a couple of posters here who are complaining about the calls in the game. They've already made up their mind that they're correct, despite any attempt by others to explain the correct rulings and interpretations to them. The antagonists then claim that we're all officials and will blindly defend our brethren.

The truth is that if you read through this and other threads you'll see where we can be critical of our brothers. Recent threads about Ed Hochuli and Don Cherry come to mind.

Fans are very rarely interested in reality in discussions like this. They are more interested in pissing and moaning.

They ask questions, but then when their questions get answered the person answering is either FOS or "covering up for the refs." That's just the way it is.

I spend a lot of time on a couple of college fan forums and it's really pretty comical. I used to try to explain rulings etc., but you know it's bad when you can provide a quote directly from the rule book and still be informed that you are wrong.

I have learned to let Matthew 7:6 be my guide.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by RMR

Fans are very rarely interested in reality in discussions like this. They are more interested in pissing and moaning.

The above is something we all should have learned by the end of the first quarter of our first game. Likely the reason most of us, at least the rational ones, have learned to totally ignore anything that comes out of the spectator area.

Every now and then a serious fan will ask a reasonable question in a respectful manner at an appropriate opportunity, because he/she is seriously interested in knowing the answer. Occassionally that happens on these forums, and most replys are intended to be helpful and instructional.

Unfortunately, most of the really stupid, rabid fans who shout and yell dumb things, know how to type. Ignoring their ignorant rantings on the field is a great way of dealing with them, it would probably work as well on line.

[fljet]

Originally Posted by RMR

Fans are very rarely interested in reality in discussions like this. They are more interested in pissing and moaning.

They ask questions, but then when their questions get answered the person answering is either FOS or "covering up for the refs." That's just the way it is.

I spend a lot of time on a couple of college fan forums and it's really pretty comical. I used to try to explain rulings etc., but you know it's bad when you can provide a quote directly from the rule book and still be informed that you are wrong.

I have learned to let Matthew 7:6 be my guide.

Point well taken, I am not saying Im right or wrong, and Im not saying anyone on this that comments is right or wrong. My agenda was to point out that there were an abnormal amount of questionable calls and actions in this game, 90% of them helping PITTS. What prompts me to do this is about ten of you saying that you thought the crew did a "great job" is bologna. I also knew coming in to the game that Mcually's crew called the most penalties in the NFL this year and absolutely predicted prior to the game that this game would come down to a call. (Which is why I took the cards +7 and made an assload of money)
I understand that it is not easy to get all the calls right, nor would I expect that to happen, but when you have a game like that it causes fans to lose confidence in the officiating. Again I am a neutral fan who was disappointed because I like millions of other neutral fans dont think the Cards got a fair shot, just like the Seahawks in 2005.

If you think this game was officiated well and you dont agree, then you are just drinking the Mike P. kool aid, wake up and smell the coffee. The fans are the ones that pay the bills and as being a season ticket holder for 12 years I am entitled to my opinion.

PEACE

[daggo66]

Originally Posted by waltjp

What I find funny is that there are a couple of POSERS here who are complaining about the calls in the game. They've already made up their mind that they're correct, despite any attempt by others to explain the correct rulings and interpretations to them. The antagonists then claim that we're all officials and will blindly defend our brethren.

The truth is that if you read through this and other threads you'll see where we can be critical of our brothers. Recent threads about Ed Hochuli and Don Cherry come to mind.

Fixed that for ya' Walt.

[schmitty1973]

I thought the game had alot more penalties called than in normal big games. But most of them were STUPID mistakes by both teams that should have been called. On the roughing the holder, I first thought it was roughing the snapper, then I saw the replay and I couldn't believe someone would be that dumb to do that. (I'm a Warner fan so I wanted AZ to win). Obviously it seemed like AZ was doing all the dumb things in the first half, then Pitt caught up with them in the 2nd. I think the officials stayed out of it the best they could, but sometimes you have to do what you have to do. And they did.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I'm even more upset with the NFL itself for what it has become. The roughing the passer rules are ridiculous. The celebration rules are ridiculous. That doesn't even scratch the surface. As I said in my last reply, instant replay is a joke.

Then why are you complaining on an Officials' Forum?
No official in any sport writes the rules or devises instant replay.

That is the province of team and league management.

After all your whining the bottom line is you don't like the NFL very much.

Yet you admit to watching 10-12 NFL games a week.

Either you are a masochist or you choose to deny your real reason for complaining:

Your team didn't win.

[kdf5]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

Then why are you complaining on an Officials' Forum?
No official in any sport writes the rules or devises instant replay.

That is the province of team and league management.

After all your whining the bottom line is you don't like the NFL very much.

Yet you admit to watching 10-12 NFL games a week.

Either you are a masochist or you choose to deny your real reason for complaining:

Your team didn't win.

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!!!

[dahoopref]

To me, it looks like Harrison was upset for the attempted block on his knees by Francisco. I've seen players get thrown out of an NFL or NCAA game for far less things. I would not have been surprised if Harrison had been ejected if the officials thought his first strike was a punch. Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCrAbErvQ54&eurl