NFHS Rules Changes Predictions/Rumors/Desires

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by johnny d

I hope my state never uses a shot clock in hs basketball. Problems with the shot clock not being set/reset and started properly by incompetent table crews would become the biggest pain in the ass.

Must have a state full of idiots...we've had shot clock for quite some time and there aren't any more issues in a HS game than in a higher level game. Not even thinking back to the first few years...just wasn't that big of a problem.

And going back to getting rid of the seatbelt on an indirect T...I would be OK with that if they also changed the rule to only one T on assistant coaches being an ejection.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Must have a state full of idiots...we've had shot clock for quite some time and there aren't any more issues in a HS game than in a higher level game. Not even thinking back to the first few years...just wasn't that big of a problem.

And going back to getting rid of the seatbelt on an indirect T...I would be OK with that if they also changed the rule to only one T on assistant coaches being an ejection.

The problem is some schools, especially in Chicago, don't want to pay teachers to sit at the table as it is to do the book and scoreboard. They have students with little or no training. A problem that would be exacerbated with the addition of a shot clock.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by johnny d

The problem is some schools, especially in Chicago, don't want to pay teachers to sit at the table as it is to do the book and scoreboard. They have students with little or no training. A problem that would be exacerbated with the addition of a shot clock.

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Must have a state full of idiots...we've had shot clock for quite some time and there aren't any more issues in a HS game than in a higher level game. Not even thinking back to the first few years...just wasn't that big of a problem.

If you cannot get JUCO and other small colleges to get a person to run a shot clock properly, without constant corrections, I do not think they will find consistency with 800 or so schools. I never want to see the shot clock at high school either. Not unless you have someone that is trained more to do the job. Often it is a kid or someone that would rather text message to a friend in the stands. No thanks!!!!

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you cannot get JUCO and other small colleges to get a person to run a shot clock properly, without constant corrections, I do not think they will find consistency with 800 or so schools. I never want to see the shot clock at high school either. Not unless you have someone that is trained more to do the job. Often it is a kid or someone that would rather text message to a friend in the stands. No thanks!!!!

Peace

We heard all these same types of comments as we were putting the shot clock in...guess what - it wasn't (and isn't) as big a problem as you think it is.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

We heard all these same types of comments as we were putting the shot clock in...guess what - it wasn't (and isn't) as big a problem as you think it is.

Well that is great, then make it a state adopted rule and I hope my state does not adopt the rule.

But most of all this is going to be a cost issue. Schools that can barely afford athletics as it is will have to take on another expense. And in many cases will have to put in something in different gyms. Schools are having a problem getting uniforms for all their sports and now they will have to add thousands of dollars for a device? And yes not every school is funded the same way across the country. Many school districts are funded by property taxes and that means some schools have much more money than the other based on the community and house prices. I think that is one of the reason the NF is not going to touch this rule anytime soon. I am sure it is much worse in some other states.

Peace

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

But most of all this is going to be a cost issue.

I know here in VA, you pay your taxes, THEN you pay ~$100 for the honor of having your child participate in a V sport, and THEN you have to pay again at the game to see them play. Nice (sarc).

Yep, cost will certainly be a discussion point for shot clocks.

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I know here in VA, you pay your taxes, THEN you pay ~$100 for the honor of having your child participate in a V sport, and THEN you have to pay again at the game to see them play. Nice (sarc).

Yep, cost will certainly be a discussion point for shot clocks.

Can't disagree that in some situations it would be a cost that might be difficult to bear in some situations but its not a huge cost.

You can get individual clocks for less 300 and a decent package with two clocks and the wireless device to run them for less than a thousand.

If the high school kids run a summer day camp for elementary aged kids and charge them 50 bucks a pop and give them a 5 dollar tshirt and a week of basketball you've got them paid for.

You are talking about half the cost of 1 set of nice uniforms.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

We heard all these same types of comments as we were putting the shot clock in...guess what - it wasn't (and isn't) as big a problem as you think it is.

The bolded portion means it is still a problem. And we, at least around here, do not need the added headache. Not just a question of compentent table personnel, also competent officials.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The bolded portion means it is still a problem. And we, at least around here, do not need the added headache. Not just a question of compentent table personnel, also competent officials.

You work NCAA games, right? How often do you have shot clock issues in a game?

It isn't any higher (and quite often is lower) per game than any of the college games I work.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

It isn't any higher (and quite often is lower) per game than any of the college games I work.

I find it hard to believe that HS in your area are getting better table personal than colleges and/or that they are spending more time training them correctly. Regardless, this would definitely not be the case where JRut and I work HS games.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

You work NCAA games, right? How often do you have shot clock issues in a game?

It isn't any higher (and quite often is lower) per game than any of the college games I work.

We have enough problems in NCAA games with trained personnel that I do not want to deal with it in HS games with untrained personnel.

It may work great where you are, but I know from what I've seen around these parts I don't want it in my HS games.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The bolded portion means it is still a problem. And we, at least around here, do not need the added headache. Not just a question of compentent table personnel, also competent officials.

This is my concern. All it takes is one major problem with the shot clock and someone is going to complain they were screwed. And I do not feel most HS officials honestly can keep themselves from further problems. At least not where the learning curve it would take to solve the issue. Yes, I realize many states do this already, but we have a larger state than many and I do not want the headaches trying to solve basic clock issues that some kid will screw up. Heck we have enough problems with trying to solve book issues, not we want to add that to someone that does not know the basic rules that a shot clock would apply?

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is my concern. All it takes is one major problem with the shot clock and someone is going to complain they were screwed. And I do not feel most HS officials honestly can keep themselves from further problems. At least not where the learning curve it would take to solve the issue. Yes, I realize many states do this already, but we have a larger state than many and I do not want the headaches trying to solve basic clock issues that some kid will screw up. Heck we have enough problems with trying to solve book issues, not we want to add that to someone that does not know the basic rules that a shot clock would apply?

Peace

I have to agree with Jeff here. I work with a shot-clock in my GV games and without one in most of my BV games. The headache comes from worrying whether the kid - and 99% of the time it's a kid - operating the shot-clock is paying attention or has even been trained properly. We still do the ten-second count in my GV game by hand because NYS didn't want to take it for granted that the shot-clock operators would reset/start the thing properly.

The only positive for me is I can solve shot-clock problems in my NCAAW games in a heartbeat because I'm so used to checking the thing from my HS games.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

We heard all these same types of comments as we were putting the shot clock in...guess what - it wasn't (and isn't) as big a problem as you think it is.

Neither is the problem it's meant to address, IMO.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Adam

Neither is the problem it's meant to address, IMO.

I am not advocating for or against...just pointing out that the arguments people are making really don't have much basis. Same types of arguments people made (make) against 3-person mechanics.