NFHS Rules Changes Predictions/Rumors/Desires

[bballref3966]

With the NFHS Rules Committee convening through tomorrow, I thought this would be a fun discussion.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Fed follow the NCAA's lead and write the four specific fouls on a ball handler into Rule 10-6 (arm bar, two hands, jabbing, continually touching), or something similar.

What I would like to see (as if my opinion means anything )...

-Free throw restrictions end on release for players in marked lane space (long overdue IMO)
-POI after a single non-flagrant technical foul (no stupid "contact dead ball technical foul" rule)
-Head coach does not lose box for indirect T
-Rewrite the backcourt rule and case plays

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Abolish Alternating Possession, LOL! And POI.

MTD, Sr.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Abolish Alternating Possession, LOL! And POI.

MTD, Sr.

Why would you want to get rid of the POI?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by APG

Why would you want to get rid of the POI?

'cause he wants a jump ball for all double fouls and IWs?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by APG

Why would you want to get rid of the POI?

APG:

I know that I am "old school" to a degree and that I can be obstinate sometimes when the Rules Committees (NFHS, NCAA Men's/Women's) make rules changes that make no sense.

I do not have a problem with a rule change that makes the game better. What I am against is a change of the rules that addresses a situation that occurs once in 1x10**100 (I am engaging in some hyperbole here.) plays which when this extremely rare play occurs The Rule of Unintended Consequences rears its ugly head.

I don't want to go into detail but I think the Correctable Error rule change about 20 years or so ago is one change that was one that was not needed but the excuse given was it made the game fairer, even though CEs, that while not extremely rare, do not occur so frequently that the rule needed to be changed.

The POI rule is one that makes the rules more complex than they need to be. I am a firm believer in putting the ball back into play in the order that "things" happen. But still, I have not, am not, and will not lose any sleep over the POI rule even though I would get rid of it if I could be the Basketball Czar for a day.

What really fries my tuchus is the TF rule in both the NFHS and the NCAA Men's/Women's (I am not in favor of the change in the NCAA Men's Guarding Rule change of this past season, so see my Basketball Czar comment above.).

The page size of the NFHS and NCAA Men's/Women's rules books are approximately the same size. The TF section in the NFHS Rules is five pages and in the NCAA Men's/Women's Rules is eight pages. The page size of the NBCUSC (forefather/mother of the NFHS and NCAA Men's/Women's) 1971-72 Rule Book is the same size as today, yet the TF section is only two pages long. (I resisted the urge to make the font size the same size as the number of pages, .)

I have a Bachelor of Engineering degree with major in Civil Engineering (specialization in Structural Engineering and Highway Engineering) and a double minor in Mechanical Engineering (specialization in Engineering Mechanics) and Mathematics (specialization in Scientific and Engineering Applications) so I think that I am a fairly intelligent person. BUT my brain just explodes every time I read the NCAA TF section (The NFHS section just makes my head hurt like Charlie Brown's.). The most important rule in engineering design is: KISS (Not the band for you head bangers out there, .). Keep It Simple Stupid! The NFHS and NCAA has not done that and there is no reason for such complexity in the TF section. The TF sections should be no longer that three pages and still accomplish what the Rules Committees goals.

I didn't intend for this post to be so long (who am I kidding, ), but seriously, if I could be Basketball Czar for just one day I would abolish the AP Rule, .

I hope that answered your question. Now I have to wonder if MTD, Jr., and I are going to have a H.S. baseball game to umpire this afternoon. Our game yesterday was canceled because there was one inch of snow on the ground and today the high is supposed to be 45F with wind chill temperatures in the mid-30Fs, and the home school is on Spring Break and we can't get in contact with the AD or HC. Have a good one.

MTD, Sr.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

With the NFHS Rules Committee convening through tomorrow, I thought this would be a fun discussion.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Fed follow the NCAA's lead and write the four specific fouls on a ball handler into Rule 10-6 (arm bar, two hands, jabbing, continually touching), or something similar.

What I would like to see (as if my opinion means anything )...

-Free throw restrictions end on release for players in marked lane space (long overdue IMO)
-POI after a single non-flagrant technical foul (no stupid "contact dead ball technical foul" rule)
-Head coach does not lose box for indirect T
-Rewrite the backcourt rule and case plays

1. I'm good with that.
2 and 3, I like the way the rule is already. HS sports should keep the added penalties for sportsmanship lapses.
4. I'm not holding my breath.

[Welpe]

No way I'd give up the seatbelt rule.

As usual, I'd like to see free throw restrictions end on the release and I'll be one of the weird ones that wants to get rid of the AP arrow.

[bballref3966]

Originally Posted by Welpe

No way I'd give up the seatbelt rule.

Only for indirect T's.

For example, an assistant spontaneously curses at an official's call and is whacked. There's not necessarily any reason to believe that the head coach was allowing that behavior. It was simply a heat of the moment poor choice by another adult, over whom the head coach may only have so much control. Why not just tell the coach, "Keep your bench under control because that's on you, also" instead of making him sit for what was ultimately an action by another adult? Yes the head coach is responsible for the bench, but that's why he gets charged indirectly with T's on bench personnel. I'm fine with taking away the box for his own actions, but I don't love the idea of punishing the head coach more than an indirect T for another person's actions.

Just my two cents. Still, I would change the free throw restrictions rule before I changed this.

I would like:

The goaltending rule to mirror the NCAA-M rule
The ability to put a "coaching box warning", "bench warning", or "coach warning" in the book, for whatever that's worth
Addition of a direct technical foul with no free throws that counts toward an ejection
The NCAA-M "automatic" hand check fouls, not just RSBQ

Mechanics changes:
Lead able to administer sideline throw-in below the FTLE
Lead's area includes primary on 3-point shooter in their corner à la NCAA-W
NCAA-M switching (not popular)
Ability to use game clock for 10 second backcourt count
Emphasis that C cannot initiate a rotation
Emphasis that the "Official Signals" are more like guidelines

These are just off the top of my head, I'm sure I can think of more.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I would like:

The goaltending rule to mirror the NCAA-M rule
The ability to put a "coaching box warning", "bench warning", or "coach warning" in the book, for whatever that's worth
Addition of a direct technical foul with no free throws that counts toward an ejection
The NCAA-M "automatic" hand check fouls, not just RSBQ

Mechanics changes:
Lead able to administer sideline throw-in below the FTLE
Lead's area includes primary on 3-point shooter in their corner à la NCAA-W
NCAA-M switching (not popular)
Ability to use game clock for 10 second backcourt count
Emphasis that C cannot initiate a rotation
Emphasis that the "Official Signals" are more like guidelines

These are just off the top of my head, I'm sure I can think of more.

I don't like most of your mechanics changes

2. Who watches post play on strong side while lead is officiating the 3-point shooter in the corner?

4. This would never work. Game clock runs before ball is at disposal of shooter, and while they are completing the throw in. Now official has to watch action he is responsible for, determine what time the ball was touched in bounds, and then calculate what time the clock has to read for violation. No thanks. It works with a shot clock, but not the game clock.

5. This is ridiculous. When the ball is trapped or pressured near the half court line on the Cs side, he damn well better initiate a rotation by getting his ass off the FTLE and going out there to officiate the play, and the L better recognize what is happening and get over where he belongs.

6. Reducing them to guidelines gives the impression that officials can make up their own signals or not use signals when needed. This would make a problem bigger, not help in any way whatsoever.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I would like:

The goaltending rule to mirror the NCAA-M rule
The ability to put a "coaching box warning", "bench warning", or "coach warning" in the book, for whatever that's worth
Addition of a direct technical foul with no free throws that counts toward an ejection
The NCAA-M "automatic" hand check fouls, not just RSBQ

Mechanics changes:
Lead able to administer sideline throw-in below the FTLE
Lead's area includes primary on 3-point shooter in their corner à la NCAA-W
NCAA-M switching (not popular)
Ability to use game clock for 10 second backcourt count
Emphasis that C cannot initiate a rotation
Emphasis that the "Official Signals" are more like guidelines

These are just off the top of my head, I'm sure I can think of more.

GT....the backboard element is fine for 3-man where you have a C low enough to get a good angle on the timing of the block vs. the board. With 2-man, that is a difficult angle. Even in the NCAA, the C and T are left guessing some of the time. The apex is easy to see and judge....leave it alone.

Direct T, with no shots....what would that be for? What would be worth a T but no shots?

Lead does administer such throw-ins, in two man

All mechanics are already just guidelines. They should usually be followed, but they are still just guidelines.