Timeout Dead Ball when..........

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Because you said the play became dead while there was no team control. If you are going to argue rules then argue all the applicable rules.

And in NCAA granting a time out when a team is not in control is an inadvertent whistle. An IW during a successful try does not negate the try.

Wasn't talking about NCAA. NFHS has no such rule. (does it?) It does state that once a timeout is granted, correctly or not, it cannot be revoked. What it doesn't say is when the ball becomes dead.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Wasn't talking about NCAA. NFHS has no such rule. (does it?) It does state that once a timeout is granted, correctly or not, it cannot be revoked. What it doesn't say is when the ball becomes dead.

You still haven't addressed the status of the ball. Why WOULDN'T your ruling lead to an AP throw in?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You still haven't addressed the status of the ball. Why WOULDN'T your ruling lead to an AP throw in?

Okay, I missed the point. Even though this wasn't an inadvertent whistle, if the ball became dead with no team control, it would be an AP situation. One more reason why this matter needs attention.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Wasn't talking about NCAA. NFHS has no such rule. (does it?) It does state that once a timeout is granted, correctly or not, it cannot be revoked. What it doesn't say is when the ball becomes dead.

Over-thinking is what leads officials to go the arrow when they shouldn't, or to shoot four free throws on a technical foul because they're in the bonus, or all sorts of other silly things.

The rule on when the ball becomes dead is easy. If the whistle blows when a try is in flight, there's no rule that makes the ball dead before it goes through the basket.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Adam

If the whistle blows when a try is in flight, there's no rule that makes the ball dead before it goes through the basket.

PC foul?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

PC foul?

Not at all related to your OP, but sure, that would be the lone exception (except for events that occur before the release for which the whistle occurs after the release).

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Adam

Not at all related to your OP, but sure, that would be the lone exception (except for events that occur before the release for which the whistle occurs after the release).

And in all of these, the whistle is not what makes the ball dead. So, in the OP, what do you do?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Adam

Not at all related to your OP, but sure, that would be the lone exception (except for events that occur before the release for which the whistle occurs after the release).

Or 3 violations: free throw, swinging elbows, and running OOB. Of course, only one of those is a realistic scenario.