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Thrown Elbow - Live Ball vs. Dead Ball
Just so I'm clear, an unsportsmanlike thrown elbow will be called differently depending on whether the ball is live or dead?
For example, players A1 and B1 are fighting for a held ball between them. Either a) before the held ball whistle is blown or b) after the held ball whistle is blown, player A1 throws a non-flagrant elbow that connects with B1's torso. In a), since the ball is live, a technical foul cannot be called. If it is non-flagrant, the only choice left is an intentional foul In b), since the ball is dead, I can have an unsportsmanlike technical foul called. Is that right? Seems like the same infraction one second before or after the whistle causes a different call to be made. |
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a) No, it can't be a T unless it's the beginning of a fight. But an intentional foul is not the "only choice." It could easily be just a common foul. b) It's an intentional technical foul, not an unsporting technical foul. Unsporting = non-contact, intentional T = contact. As for your whistle issue, if there's no contact, there isn't going to be a whistle. If a foul does occur and a whistle sounds, then yes it's a T.
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So to answer your question: no, an unsporting foul will not be called differently depending the status of the ball. Unsporting fouls are always technical in nature. If he swings the elbow intentionally and misses, then you could have an unsporting foul (probably flagrant since it's an attempt to strike an opponent). If he swings the elbow and connects, now it could be personal (live ball) or technical (dead ball). Whether it's a common, intentional or flagrant foul will be up to the official's judgment.
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Ejecting the player for a swung and missed elbow would be an extreme measure IMHO. Since the ejection would cause him/her to miss the next two games, there should probably be some other mitigating issues before I would take that action (and in Ohio, cause me to do paperwork ). Is this a game that has a history of trouble? Do these teams have a history of this kind of action, or is it an isolated incident? This would be, as many things are, a game management issue. |
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