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Here's why it should count...
NFHS Rule 6-7-5
ART. 5 The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when: An official's whistle is blown (see exceptions a and b below). EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the try or tap ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when: a. Article 5, 6, or 7 occurs while a try or tap for a field goal is in flight.
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According to most, the whistle is not what causes the ball to be dead on a timeout request. If an airborne player makes a request and lands out of bounds before the whistle, does he get the timeout? I have said before that an editorial revision is needed here. This thread was to help make that case.
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The airborne player question has been discussed at length, and pretty much everybody agrees that you grant the timeout, even though the wording of the rule may not support this.
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jar, if you are proposing that the ball is immediately dead on this play then you should have also brought up that you were resuming play with an AP throw in.
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Why?
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Because you said the play became dead while there was no team control. If you are going to argue rules then argue all the applicable rules.
And in NCAA granting a time out when a team is not in control is an inadvertent whistle. An IW during a successful try does not negate the try.
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A-hole formerly known as BNR Last edited by Raymond; Sun May 05, 2013 at 03:56pm. |
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Time-out occurs and the clock, if running, shall be stopped when an official: Signals: a. A foul. b. A held ball. c. A violation. d. A time-out. NFHS Officials' Manual 2.4.4 Time-outs: B. Reporting procedures: 1. Sound the whistle while giving the clock-stopping signal We're supposed to do both - blow our whistle and signal - when granting a time out. The whistle, according to rule 6-7-5, causes the ball to become dead other than in the exceptions laid out in Rule 6-7. One of those exceptions is when a try is in flight.
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So is the whistle the only thing that causes the ball to become dead when a timeout is granted? Not according to most people. Airborne player requests a timeout, then lands out of bounds before the whistle. Do you grant the timeout or is it an OOB violation?
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I agree this is the logical way to do it. The only way it would seem wrong is if the shot is an airball which lands right in the lap of the defense, and the AP favors the offense. I have no problem with things that seem wrong, there are others, but it's nice when these things are documented.
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If we had to invoke that in the OP, are we really going to disallow a FG on a try released prior to a whistle we shouldn't have blown in the first place?
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In the normal situation, the whistle and the beginning of the timeout are treated as happening simultaneously even if in practice, they're just a bit a part.
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