Timeout Dead Ball when..........

[just another ref]

If an official (improperly) grants a timeout request while a successful try is in flight, does the basket count?

[APG]

Why wouldn't you count the basket?

[just another ref]

5-8-3: Timeout occurs when an official grants a timeout request.



And this is not one of the exceptions.

[APG]

Interesting...I'll have to find my books, but I would still count the basket.

[JetMetFan]

NFHS Rule 6-7-5

ART. 5
The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when:
An official's whistle is blown (see exceptions a and b below).

EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the try or tap ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when:
a. Article 5, 6, or 7 occurs while a try or tap for a field goal is in flight.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

NFHS Rule 6-7-5

ART. 5
The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when:
An official's whistle is blown (see exceptions a and b below).

EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the try or tap ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when:
a. Article 5, 6, or 7 occurs while a try or tap for a field goal is in flight.

According to most, the whistle is not what causes the ball to be dead on a timeout request. If an airborne player makes a request and lands out of bounds before the whistle, does he get the timeout?

I have said before that an editorial revision is needed here. This thread was to help make that case.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

According to most, the whistle is not what causes the ball to be dead on a timeout request. If an airborne player makes a request and lands out of bounds before the whistle, does he get the timeout?

I absolutely love this question.

[just another ref]

The airborne player question has been discussed at length, and pretty much everybody agrees that you grant the timeout, even though the wording of the rule may not support this.

[Raymond]

jar, if you are proposing that the ball is immediately dead on this play then you should have also brought up that you were resuming play with an AP throw in.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

jar, if you are proposing that the ball is immediately dead on this play then you should have also brought up that you were resuming play with an AP throw in.

Why?

[Raymond]

Because you said the play became dead while there was no team control. If you are going to argue rules then argue all the applicable rules.

And in NCAA granting a time out when a team is not in control is an inadvertent whistle. An IW during a successful try does not negate the try.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Because you said the play became dead while there was no team control. If you are going to argue rules then argue all the applicable rules.

And in NCAA granting a time out when a team is not in control is an inadvertent whistle. An IW during a successful try does not negate the try.

Wasn't talking about NCAA. NFHS has no such rule. (does it?) It does state that once a timeout is granted, correctly or not, it cannot be revoked. What it doesn't say is when the ball becomes dead.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Wasn't talking about NCAA. NFHS has no such rule. (does it?) It does state that once a timeout is granted, correctly or not, it cannot be revoked. What it doesn't say is when the ball becomes dead.

You still haven't addressed the status of the ball. Why WOULDN'T your ruling lead to an AP throw in?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You still haven't addressed the status of the ball. Why WOULDN'T your ruling lead to an AP throw in?

Okay, I missed the point. Even though this wasn't an inadvertent whistle, if the ball became dead with no team control, it would be an AP situation. One more reason why this matter needs attention.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Wasn't talking about NCAA. NFHS has no such rule. (does it?) It does state that once a timeout is granted, correctly or not, it cannot be revoked. What it doesn't say is when the ball becomes dead.

Over-thinking is what leads officials to go the arrow when they shouldn't, or to shoot four free throws on a technical foul because they're in the bonus, or all sorts of other silly things.

The rule on when the ball becomes dead is easy. If the whistle blows when a try is in flight, there's no rule that makes the ball dead before it goes through the basket.