Lead move across the lane?

[Sharpshooternes]

The "pinch the paint" thread got me thinking about this and in conjunction with an alumni tournament game I did this week, I want to ask what people's opinions are for the lead moving a cross the paint. The Officials Manual 2.3.3.b talks about moving across the paint when the majority of the players are on the T's side. At one of the main camps, the evaluators last year mentioned this and since i started doing it I really like. The only downside is when there is a muffed pass and it goes out on the far end line where neither official is. Some of our officials do this and some don't.
My most recent does not. When I was pregaming that I do move across occasionally if play dictates he looked at me like I was crazy and wanted me to try doing it without moving across. He said "We should be good enough to be able get anything if it happens without moving across."

I still feel like angles are much improved by moving across and the chance of completely missing an OOB call on the opposite endline is pretty slim. It takes a little more work and hustle to be successful but i feel like it is worth it.
Thoughts?

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

I still feel like angles are much improved by moving across and the chance of completely missing an OOB call on the opposite endline is pretty slim. It takes a little more work and hustle to be successful but i feel like it is worth it.
Thoughts?

I do it a few times per game, especially when there is an inbounds play on the T's sideline, when all the players are on that half of the court. I don't think I have had a missed OOB call due to this, probably because I am only across for a few seconds, and the T usually has a good angle on tipped passes.

[Adam]

Everyone does it here, and if a partner tried telling me not to, I'd move on with the pregame and do it anyway.

If he said something later, I'd tell him I was just giving him notice, not asking his permission.

His reasoning is idiotic.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

I still feel like angles are much improved by moving across and the chance of completely missing an OOB call on the opposite endline is pretty slim.

I fail to see how moving across the lane as lead would have any impact on missing an OOB call on the opposite endline.

Did you, perhaps, mean sideline?

If that is the case, the odds you'll miss and OOB situation on that sideline is much lower than missing a foul call or OOB situation on the opposite side of the lane by not going.

And really, the only type of OOB call you might miss would be on a long, overthrown skip pass where the recipient steps on the line as they're catching the ball. Aside from that, the rest are pretty easy and you have plenty of time to get back. You just have to be quick to return when the ball and players are no longer in a position to require that you be across the lane.

[Toren]

I'm sorry I didn't bring my manual today, is this 2 man or 3 man mechanics?

In either case, I work where ever I need to get great angles for my team and myself. If you feel you can get more plays correct and great angles by moving across the lane, then by all means get yourself across.

If this is 3 man, I fail to see how this would ever be a problem, if I don't see a ball go OOB opposite the paint endline, I just ask for the C's help.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Toren

I'm sorry I didn't bring my manual today, is this 2 man or 3 man mechanics?

In either case, I work where ever I need to get great angles for my team and myself. If you feel you can get more plays correct and great angles by moving across the lane, then by all means get yourself across.

If this is 3 man, I fail to see how this would ever be a problem, if I don't see a ball go OOB opposite the paint endline, I just ask for the C's help.

I inferred 2 man, since 3 man universally involves rotating to the strong side.

Further, he noted he heads over when the majority of players are on T's side. That doesn't make sense in 3 man.

Originally Posted by Adam

I inferred 2 man, since 3 man universally involves rotating to the strong side.

Not to mention the OP's reference to officials manual 2.3.3b which deals with 2-man mechanics.

[Toren]

Well how many camps do you go to where they are teaching 2 man mechanics? This is what confused me, I can't think of any that I have ever been to.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I fail to see how moving across the lane as lead would have any impact on missing an OOB call on the opposite endline.

Did you, perhaps, mean sideline?

If that is the case, the odds you'll miss and OOB situation on that sideline is much lower than missing a foul call or OOB situation on the opposite side of the lane by not going.

And really, the only type of OOB call you might miss would be on a long, overthrown skip pass where the recipient steps on the line as they're catching the ball. Aside from that, the rest are pretty easy and you have plenty of time to get back. You just have to be quick to return when the ball and players are no longer in a position to require that you be across the lane.

Yes I meant sideline, not endline and yes this is with 2-man mechanics.
I agree with most that the chances of missing an OOB is slim compared to the calls you can miss by not moving across the key.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Yes I meant sideline, not endline and yes this is with 2-man mechanics.
I agree with most that the chances of missing an OOB is slim compared to the calls you can miss by not moving across the key.

As someone (I think it was either Camron or Rich) on here pointed out to me once when I talked about missing a sideline OOB call (I went with the arrow), 2 person is all about sacrifice. You sacrifice more by staying put than you do by moving across.

[hoopguy]

In my area, MA, all games are 2 person except the state tourney. There are many 2 person camps and for most of us it makes sense to go to the two person camps since that is all we will be reffing.

It seems like in the last two years my local camps and IAABO meetings have really been focusing on having refs cross the lane, or in IAABO speak, go to the C position. I have been focusing on doing it as much as I can but it still feels weird, like I need to be back on 'my side'.

[Raymond]

When I officiate 2-man I get where ever I need to be to officiate the play. If it means crossing the lane, then so be it. When I'm the Trail will often move down to the 'C' position to get angles I need.

I just have to remember to hustle back to the standard position if the ball suddenly heads to a line I am responsible for.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by hoopguy

Focusing on having refs cross the lane, or in IAABO speak, go to the C position.

Here in IAABO Connecticut, we've been experimenting with going one step further. Two person game. When the lead moves across the lane to get a really good look at some action in the pivot, the trail has the option of moving over to the other side, in a sense, a rotation. It's always pregamed, not many of us do it, and I've only observed it being tried once, it failed as the trail didn't see the body language of the lead that he wanted to stay there.