Rotating as Lead in 2 Man?

[stiffler3492]

The last half of this season, I've found that when I'm the L, the ball is on the opposite wing, and there's a player posting up ball side, I rotate over to the ball side to get a better look at the post matchup.

This sort of happened instinctively, didn't really think about it the first time it happened. Anyone else do this?

[just another ref]

My advice is be careful about this. You can miss just as much by being too close as too far. And now if the ball swings back to your wing it will be more difficult to cover the sideline.

[refiator]

Originally Posted by just another ref

And now if the ball swings back to your wing it will be more difficult to cover the sideline.

Absolutely. I would never rotate....just "cheat" no farther than the lane line extended on ball side. Still gives you a good look to your secondary and a quick turn, 2 step, and look back to your PCA if there is a quick swing.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by refiator

Absolutely. I would never rotate....just "cheat" no farther than the lane line extended on ball side. Still gives you a good look to your secondary and a quick turn, 2 step, and look back to your PCA if there is a quick swing.

Good advice.

[APG]

Yes I'll rotate over if the majority of the players are on the other side with post action. Rotating in two man is a compromise that gives up sideline coverage with superior post coverage. Getting a feel for a team's offense, you can get a sense of whether the ball will go into the post or whether the offense tends to throw skip passes or move the ball around on the perimeter.

This is also something you have to pregame with your partner so he knows to to expand his coverage area appropriately. I wouldn't rotate over without first telling my partner.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Yes I'll rotate over if the majority of the players are on the other side with post action. Rotating in two man is a compromise that gives up sideline coverage with superior post coverage. Getting a feel for a team's offense, you can get a sense of whether the ball will go into the post or whether the offense tends to throw skip passes or move the ball around on the perimeter.

This is also something you have to pregame with your partner so he knows to to expand his coverage area appropriately. I wouldn't rotate over without first telling my partner.

Agree completely but we have been trained similarly.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

The last half of this season, I've found that when I'm the L, the ball is on the opposite wing, and there's a player posting up ball side, I rotate over to the ball side to get a better look at the post matchup.

This sort of happened instinctively, didn't really think about it the first time it happened. Anyone else do this?

Yes, I do. And why? Because if one reads the NFHS Officials Manual or and of the old CCA Two-Person (Men's or Women's) Manuals you will read about the mechanic called: Going Ball Side.

MTD, Sr.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Yes, I do. And why? Because if one reads the NFHS Officials Manual or and of the old CCA Two-Person (Men's or Women's) Manuals you will read about the mechanic called: Going Ball Side.

MTD, Sr.

You and I must be old, I thought this was a trick question

I've noticed a lot of newer officials don't do it for some reason - regardless of whether we pregame it.

[McMac]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

I've noticed a lot of newer officials don't do it for some reason - regardless of whether we pregame it.

I have just started getting comfortable using the mechanic this season. (Been doing basketball for 8 years, MS/HS for 4) I will do it a couple times a game depending on the offense. For "newbies", I think it sounds strange to leave an entire side virtually uncovered.

I think this is a mechanic better picked up after a couple years on the court. Your first couple seasons should be dedicated to recognizing fouls/violations, court positioning and mechanics. I would consider this an advanced mechanic.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by McMac

I think this is a mechanic better picked up after a couple years on the court. Your first couple seasons should be dedicated to recognizing fouls/violations, court positioning and mechanics. I would consider this an advanced mechanic.

Agree. We don't teach this to rookie officials that just passed the written test in November. We will introduce it the second year, at the voluntary "Bread and Butter" clinics.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by McMac

I have just started getting comfortable using the mechanic this season. (Been doing basketball for 8 years, MS/HS for 4) I will do it a couple times a game depending on the offense. For "newbies", I think it sounds strange to leave an entire side virtually uncovered.

I think this is a mechanic better picked up after a couple years on the court. Your first couple seasons should be dedicated to recognizing fouls/violations, court positioning and mechanics. I would consider this an advanced mechanic.

I don't think it should be treated as too advanced, though. After a while, that official won't do it because "I've never done it."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I don't think it should be treated as too advanced, though. After a while, that official won't do it because "I've never done it."

It may not be for beginners, but you're right. Waiting too long could be more of a problem starting too soon.

I'd consider it a second level mechanic. Once a new official figures out the coverage areas, I'd introduce this mechanic.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

The last half of this season, I've found that when I'm the L, the ball is on the opposite wing, and there's a player posting up ball side, I rotate over to the ball side to get a better look at the post matchup.

This sort of happened instinctively, didn't really think about it the first time it happened. Anyone else do this?

That is what is taught in the state you live.

Again you can pick your spots as if you know the ball is going to the post and staying in the post. But if the ball just goes there and comes out, then you may not need to do it at all. But it is a much better look than looking through a defender.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Yes....go ball side.

The trail can't cover a contested on-ball play in the corner, maybe another match up at the FT line extended, and the post action.

If the ball is in the trail's corner, the most likely pass is to the post or back to the other pair in the trails primary. You get over there and turn back to cover the post but look through the post to keep your eye on the few players on the weak side. The on-ball official should very rarely be left covering the 6 players most involved or likely to be involved in the play. And if the lead stay's home, they can't see that post across the key and the other 4 players on their side anyway....the angles don't work.