Lead move across the lane?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

I still feel like angles are much improved by moving across and the chance of completely missing an OOB call on the opposite endline is pretty slim.

I fail to see how moving across the lane as lead would have any impact on missing an OOB call on the opposite endline.

Did you, perhaps, mean sideline?

If that is the case, the odds you'll miss and OOB situation on that sideline is much lower than missing a foul call or OOB situation on the opposite side of the lane by not going.

And really, the only type of OOB call you might miss would be on a long, overthrown skip pass where the recipient steps on the line as they're catching the ball. Aside from that, the rest are pretty easy and you have plenty of time to get back. You just have to be quick to return when the ball and players are no longer in a position to require that you be across the lane.

[Toren]

I'm sorry I didn't bring my manual today, is this 2 man or 3 man mechanics?

In either case, I work where ever I need to get great angles for my team and myself. If you feel you can get more plays correct and great angles by moving across the lane, then by all means get yourself across.

If this is 3 man, I fail to see how this would ever be a problem, if I don't see a ball go OOB opposite the paint endline, I just ask for the C's help.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Toren

I'm sorry I didn't bring my manual today, is this 2 man or 3 man mechanics?

In either case, I work where ever I need to get great angles for my team and myself. If you feel you can get more plays correct and great angles by moving across the lane, then by all means get yourself across.

If this is 3 man, I fail to see how this would ever be a problem, if I don't see a ball go OOB opposite the paint endline, I just ask for the C's help.

I inferred 2 man, since 3 man universally involves rotating to the strong side.

Further, he noted he heads over when the majority of players are on T's side. That doesn't make sense in 3 man.

Originally Posted by Adam

I inferred 2 man, since 3 man universally involves rotating to the strong side.

Not to mention the OP's reference to officials manual 2.3.3b which deals with 2-man mechanics.

[Toren]

Well how many camps do you go to where they are teaching 2 man mechanics? This is what confused me, I can't think of any that I have ever been to.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Toren

Well how many camps do you go to where they are teaching 2 man mechanics? This is what confused me, I can't think of any that I have ever been to.

Well we have many camps in this area that teach 2 person mechanics. There are even camps with floor time that teach 2 person mechanics.

Peace

[Toren]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well we have many camps in this area that teach 2 person mechanics. There are even camps with floor time that teach 2 person mechanics.

Peace

Where was this when I was first starting? I'm glad it's being taught out there though, at least in some areas. I know of only one camp out in this area that does it, but they started last year and it's generally viewed as only for first year officials.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Toren

Well how many camps do you go to where they are teaching 2 man mechanics? This is what confused me, I can't think of any that I have ever been to.

Every camp in Oklahoma is a two man camp with the exception of 1.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Every camp in Oklahoma is a two man camp with the exception of one.

Wow. A western version of Connecticut.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I fail to see how moving across the lane as lead would have any impact on missing an OOB call on the opposite endline.

Did you, perhaps, mean sideline?

If that is the case, the odds you'll miss and OOB situation on that sideline is much lower than missing a foul call or OOB situation on the opposite side of the lane by not going.

And really, the only type of OOB call you might miss would be on a long, overthrown skip pass where the recipient steps on the line as they're catching the ball. Aside from that, the rest are pretty easy and you have plenty of time to get back. You just have to be quick to return when the ball and players are no longer in a position to require that you be across the lane.

Yes I meant sideline, not endline and yes this is with 2-man mechanics.
I agree with most that the chances of missing an OOB is slim compared to the calls you can miss by not moving across the key.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Yes I meant sideline, not endline and yes this is with 2-man mechanics.
I agree with most that the chances of missing an OOB is slim compared to the calls you can miss by not moving across the key.

As someone (I think it was either Camron or Rich) on here pointed out to me once when I talked about missing a sideline OOB call (I went with the arrow), 2 person is all about sacrifice. You sacrifice more by staying put than you do by moving across.

[hoopguy]

In my area, MA, all games are 2 person except the state tourney. There are many 2 person camps and for most of us it makes sense to go to the two person camps since that is all we will be reffing.

It seems like in the last two years my local camps and IAABO meetings have really been focusing on having refs cross the lane, or in IAABO speak, go to the C position. I have been focusing on doing it as much as I can but it still feels weird, like I need to be back on 'my side'.

[Raymond]

When I officiate 2-man I get where ever I need to be to officiate the play. If it means crossing the lane, then so be it. When I'm the Trail will often move down to the 'C' position to get angles I need.

I just have to remember to hustle back to the standard position if the ball suddenly heads to a line I am responsible for.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by hoopguy

Focusing on having refs cross the lane, or in IAABO speak, go to the C position.

Here in IAABO Connecticut, we've been experimenting with going one step further. Two person game. When the lead moves across the lane to get a really good look at some action in the pivot, the trail has the option of moving over to the other side, in a sense, a rotation. It's always pregamed, not many of us do it, and I've only observed it being tried once, it failed as the trail didn't see the body language of the lead that he wanted to stay there.