Backcourt Violation? with Video

[referee99]

[APG]

No call correct

[bob jenkins]

Good (no) call.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by referee99

...video...

What is your opinion?

[Pantherdreams]

Good no call on backcourt.

Inunrelated news I think there is a travel on the catch.

[Adam]

If he'd picked that backcourt foot up sooner, it would have been since he lost the "three points" protection when he ended his dribble to pass. However, since I can't tell if he passed the ball before or after picking up his BC foot, I'm not calling it.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Good no call on backcourt.

Inunrelated news I think there is a travel on the catch.

Only in slo-mo might there be a technical travel. The player catches the ball in the air and lands with the left foot first. He's clearly in the action of starting a dribble when the left foot leaves the ground -- very hard to tell whether the ball leaves his hand first.

In real time, it's a no call (almost) always.

[referee99]

...if I do say so...

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Only in slo-mo might there be a technical travel. The player catches the ball in the air and lands with the left foot first. He's clearly in the action of starting a dribble when the left foot leaves the ground -- very hard to tell whether the ball leaves his hand first.

In real time, it's a no call (almost) always.

It is difficult from that angle to see if the third step starts before the ball is picked up though it looks that way from here but from my view it looks like he lands left-right- then goes and puts his left foot down again. Now if the ball is out of his hand before he lifts the left then obviously its good. IMO it looks like he's still holding the ball while he takes most of that/ if not all the third step.

That may just be a local application difference. We've been asked to be certain the ball is out the hand before the backfoot comes up, anything close in high level games we are expected to call the footwork. (And yes preseason high school and university games were a mess until coaches and players adjusted.)

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by referee99

...if I do say so...

Wish I had video of a similar no-call in a regional game here. I had no call, C had no-call, fans and coaches going nuts, one referee in stands said we missed it.

[referee99]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Wish I had video of a similar no-call in a regional game here. I had no call, C had no-call, fans and coaches going nuts, one referee in stands said we missed it.

... I knew just the play I wanted. I was completely confident in the accuracy, but knew it would be a good one to look at.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What is your opinion?

Guess I know your answer now...LOL

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by referee99

... I knew just the play I wanted. I was completely confident in the accuracy, but knew it would be a good one to look at.

Great self-restraint/patient whistle. When I get those I start thinking, "Here comes the groan from the benches and the crowd...NOW!"

[Freddy]

Agree on the no-call. Had one not quite as goofy in a post-season tourney game last week that brought half the stands out of their seats to protest, but got the no-call right.
One item in particular I was interested to see in the video was the unofficial spread-arms signal used by the official. I don't think the official meant it as the standard "not closely guarded" signal. That, to me anyway, clearly conveyed the message, "I saw what just happened but I've got nothing." Seems to be like what soccer has with their "play on" signal.
I like that and wouldn't mind seeing it or something similar become a standard signal.

[Jay R]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

It is difficult from that angle to see if the third step starts before the ball is picked up though it looks that way from here but from my view it looks like he lands left-right- then goes and puts his left foot down again. Now if the ball is out of his hand before he lifts the left then obviously its good. IMO it looks like he's still holding the ball while he takes most of that/ if not all the third step.

That may just be a local application difference. We've been asked to be certain the ball is out the hand before the backfoot comes up, anything close in high level games we are expected to call the footwork. (And yes preseason high school and university games were a mess until coaches and players adjusted.)

Wouldn't you want to apply the opposing philosophy? Don't call a travel unless you are certain that the pivot foot was lifted before he released the ball.

Are you in Canada? Canada Basketball's memo last year to tighten up on travelling was taken to extraordinary lenghts by some officials. I still only want to calll travels when I'm certain. If I'm guessing, i'm guessing it's legal.