Game ending err

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Rich

Are you kidding? And at halftime. And at the quarter break. You'd think they'd know how to read the possession arrow.

+1 When time allows, when a player asks "whose ball is it?" I often answer,
"I don't know. How do you tell?"

At ALL LEVELS, some look sheepish and look at the arrow, but many look like I asked them for the secret to the mysteries of the universe.

[BillyMac]

I fondly remember the do-overs in the sandlot baseball games of my youth. No umpires. We eventually figured everything out. Seldom did anybody stop the game, pick up their taped over baseball, and taped up bat, and go home after a "debate". It's was a much simpler time.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Wow. That's bad X 2.

Did you guys communicate with each other before the ball was put in play for the throw in? In my games we make a point to always communicate whether its a spot or the inbounder has the endline coming out of a timeout. Especially critical in a late game situation.

But to answer you question, yes you were wrong. Don't know how you justified a "do-over."

While I agree in general, I don't know how much communication (on this issue) you should need on a FC throw-in -- that's NEVER a time when a player is allowed to "run the endline."

[Andy]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Wow just realizing this was in the frontcourt.

I'd rather see the T whistle and stop play when the kid left the spot thanend up with the outcome you did.

At least that way you could have prevented your partner from completely screwing both of you.

Let's say this happened....as soon as the T saw the thrower move and realized the L wasn't blowing the whistle, T blows the whistle to kill the play.

At that point, after the officials realize the error, can you justify a do over? This assumes that the ball was not inbounded prior to the whistle.

[maven]

Originally Posted by Andy

Let's say this happened....as soon as the T saw the thrower move and realized the L wasn't blowing the whistle, T blows the whistle to kill the play.

At that point, after the officials realize the error, can you justify a do over? This assumes that the ball was not inbounded prior to the whistle.

I can't imagine your scenario happening. As T, I'm not watching the thrower, I'm watching some of the other 8 or 9.

I CAN imagine seeing my partner signal "run the line" to the thrower, and I would stop him at that point and fix it.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

While I agree in general, I don't know how much communication (on this issue) you should need on a FC throw-in -- that's NEVER a time when a player is allowed to "run the endline."

Agreed. When I typed this response I did not realize it was a FC throw in. Poor reading comp on my part.

Originally Posted by Andy

Let's say this happened....as soon as the T saw the thrower move and realized the L wasn't blowing the whistle, T blows the whistle to kill the play.

At that point, after the officials realize the error, can you justify a do over? This assumes that the ball was not inbounded prior to the whistle.

If the T blows the whistle to kill the play when the inbounder and leaves the designated spot, he can then go to the lead with information. The L should then realize he erred in telling the player he had the endline and re-administer the throw in properly.

Still dicey but I'd much rather have to deal with a "do over" that doesn't involve time running off of the clock or taking away a scored basket.

[OKREF]

2-10-1

Officials may correct an error if a rule is inadvertently set aside and results in.....

e. Erroneously counting or canceling a score.

My question, since the error lead to counting a score, could this be used to correct the error? I am in the corner that says once the play happened it is probably not correctable, however maybe this application says otherwise.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by Rich

Are you kidding? Players ask whose BALL it is after a timeout. And at halftime. And at the quarter break. You'd think they'd know how to read the possession arrow. And that the coach would mention something to them.

Haha. Now that's bad.

By the way, love the little caption under your screen name.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by OKREF

2-10-1

Officials may correct an error if a rule is inadvertently set aside and results in.....

e. Erroneously counting or canceling a score.

My question, since the error lead to counting a score, could this be used to correct the error? I am in the corner that says once the play happened it is probably not correctable, however maybe this application says otherwise.

The officials didn't erroneously count a score. They failed to call a violation and the team scored afterwards. Same as if the kid had double-dribbled or travelled and we missed it.

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by OKREF

2-10-1

Officials may correct an error if a rule is inadvertently set aside and results in.....

e. Erroneously counting or canceling a score.

My question, since the error lead to counting a score, could this be used to correct the error? I am in the corner that says once the play happened it is probably not correctable, however maybe this application says otherwise.

No, this does not fall under the CE guidelines. The error was the erroneous information relayed to the player by the official. And as has been already mentioned, if the thrower didn't move beyond the allowed three FT box, no violation occured. A lot of coaches think that players can't move at all.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

No, this does not fall under the CE guidelines. The error was the erroneous information relayed to the player by the official. And as has been already mentioned, if the thrower didn't move beyond the allowed three FT box, no violation occured. A lot of coaches think that players can't move at all.

I was just thinking of some way to justify the do over. I believe that they just have to go on and end the game.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Adam

Yep, A wins. B still had a chance to play defense.

This is very true. Lets not overstate the advantage gained here.

[maven]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The officials didn't erroneously count a score. They failed to call a violation and the team scored afterwards. Same as if the kid had double-dribbled or travelled and we missed it.

Not exactly the same: if you had TOLD him that he was allowed to travel before shooting and then "missed" it....

There's an issue with why anyone would believe an official who said you could run the end line in the FC, and this example brings that out. All the same, the official DID say that.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

Are you kidding? Players ask whose BALL it is after a timeout. And at halftime. And at the quarter break. You'd think they'd know how to read the possession arrow. And that the coach would mention something to them.

They even ask when you are pointing in the direction with your arm.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by OKREF

2-10-1

Officials may correct an error if a rule is inadvertently set aside and results in.....

e. Erroneously counting or canceling a score.

My question, since the error lead to counting a score, could this be used to correct the error? I am in the corner that says once the play happened it is probably not correctable, however maybe this application says otherwise.

This says you can fix it if someone counts a score that shouldn't be counted or vice versa... it doesn't mean you can correct any other error there may be so long as a score happens afterward.