Game ending err

[Andy]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Wow just realizing this was in the frontcourt.

I'd rather see the T whistle and stop play when the kid left the spot thanend up with the outcome you did.

At least that way you could have prevented your partner from completely screwing both of you.

Let's say this happened....as soon as the T saw the thrower move and realized the L wasn't blowing the whistle, T blows the whistle to kill the play.

At that point, after the officials realize the error, can you justify a do over? This assumes that the ball was not inbounded prior to the whistle.

[maven]

Originally Posted by Andy

Let's say this happened....as soon as the T saw the thrower move and realized the L wasn't blowing the whistle, T blows the whistle to kill the play.

At that point, after the officials realize the error, can you justify a do over? This assumes that the ball was not inbounded prior to the whistle.

I can't imagine your scenario happening. As T, I'm not watching the thrower, I'm watching some of the other 8 or 9.

I CAN imagine seeing my partner signal "run the line" to the thrower, and I would stop him at that point and fix it.

[OKREF]

2-10-1

Officials may correct an error if a rule is inadvertently set aside and results in.....

e. Erroneously counting or canceling a score.

My question, since the error lead to counting a score, could this be used to correct the error? I am in the corner that says once the play happened it is probably not correctable, however maybe this application says otherwise.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by OKREF

2-10-1

Officials may correct an error if a rule is inadvertently set aside and results in.....

e. Erroneously counting or canceling a score.

My question, since the error lead to counting a score, could this be used to correct the error? I am in the corner that says once the play happened it is probably not correctable, however maybe this application says otherwise.

The officials didn't erroneously count a score. They failed to call a violation and the team scored afterwards. Same as if the kid had double-dribbled or travelled and we missed it.

[maven]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The officials didn't erroneously count a score. They failed to call a violation and the team scored afterwards. Same as if the kid had double-dribbled or travelled and we missed it.

Not exactly the same: if you had TOLD him that he was allowed to travel before shooting and then "missed" it....

There's an issue with why anyone would believe an official who said you could run the end line in the FC, and this example brings that out. All the same, the official DID say that.

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by OKREF

2-10-1

Officials may correct an error if a rule is inadvertently set aside and results in.....

e. Erroneously counting or canceling a score.

My question, since the error lead to counting a score, could this be used to correct the error? I am in the corner that says once the play happened it is probably not correctable, however maybe this application says otherwise.

No, this does not fall under the CE guidelines. The error was the erroneous information relayed to the player by the official. And as has been already mentioned, if the thrower didn't move beyond the allowed three FT box, no violation occured. A lot of coaches think that players can't move at all.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

No, this does not fall under the CE guidelines. The error was the erroneous information relayed to the player by the official. And as has been already mentioned, if the thrower didn't move beyond the allowed three FT box, no violation occured. A lot of coaches think that players can't move at all.

I was just thinking of some way to justify the do over. I believe that they just have to go on and end the game.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by OKREF

2-10-1

Officials may correct an error if a rule is inadvertently set aside and results in.....

e. Erroneously counting or canceling a score.

My question, since the error lead to counting a score, could this be used to correct the error? I am in the corner that says once the play happened it is probably not correctable, however maybe this application says otherwise.

This says you can fix it if someone counts a score that shouldn't be counted or vice versa... it doesn't mean you can correct any other error there may be so long as a score happens afterward.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

While I agree in general, I don't know how much communication (on this issue) you should need on a FC throw-in -- that's NEVER a time when a player is allowed to "run the endline."

Agreed. When I typed this response I did not realize it was a FC throw in. Poor reading comp on my part.

Originally Posted by Andy

Let's say this happened....as soon as the T saw the thrower move and realized the L wasn't blowing the whistle, T blows the whistle to kill the play.

At that point, after the officials realize the error, can you justify a do over? This assumes that the ball was not inbounded prior to the whistle.

If the T blows the whistle to kill the play when the inbounder and leaves the designated spot, he can then go to the lead with information. The L should then realize he erred in telling the player he had the endline and re-administer the throw in properly.

Still dicey but I'd much rather have to deal with a "do over" that doesn't involve time running off of the clock or taking away a scored basket.