Game ending err

[loners4me]

2 man crew....3 seconds left in the game, team A down by one. Endline throw-in in As frontcourt. Spot throw in. Im trail. Partner tells kid he can run endline. He takes 3 steps to the left, hit A2 cutting in the lane who made the layup and horn sounds. A1 celebrating. B's coach irate since A moved on a spot throw in. I talk to partner who said " my bad, what do we do now?". B's coach says regardless of partners mistake its still a violation. A's coach says you cant tell my kid he can.run the endline and then penalize him when he does. Partner left it up to me to correct.

I waived off the basket, gave it back to A1 for a spot throwin and put time back.on the clock. They failed to score. Team B won.

Was I right? Wrong?

[JugglingReferee]

Referee error. Game over. There are no do-overs. He buys the pitcher of beer AND the wings.

[JugglingReferee]

Or, award 1 point and go to overtime.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Referee error. Game over. There are no do-overs. He buys the pitcher of beer AND the wings.

Yep, A wins. B still had a chance to play defense.

[VaTerp]

Wow. That's bad X 2.

Did you guys communicate with each other before the ball was put in play for the throw in? In my games we make a point to always communicate whether its a spot or the inbounder has the endline coming out of a timeout. Especially critical in a late game situation.

But to answer you question, yes you were wrong. Don't know how you justified a "do-over."

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Wow. That's bad X 2.

Did you guys communicate with each other before the ball was put in play for the throw in? In my games we make a point to always communicate whether its a spot or the inbounder has the endline coming out of a timeout. Especially critical in a late game situation.

But to answer you question, yes you were wrong. Don't know how you justified a "do-over."

They justified it by virtue that both coaches were correct. It is a violation and it's also true that you can't tell a player one thing and then whistle it dead as a violation. That's why it is an official's error. But, the no do-over rule is pretty clear.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

They justified it by virtue that both coaches were correct. It is a violation and it's also true that you can't tell a player one thing and then whistle it dead as a violation. That's why it is an official's error. But, the no do-over rule is pretty clear.

So again, don't know how they justified it. It's clear how they attempted to justify it but.....that's pretty bad.

[just another ref]

What level was this? Obviously a big goof for the official, but you would think even a player might have recognized that he couldn't run the endline in the frontcourt.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What level was this? Obviously a big goof for the official, but you would think even a player might have recognized that he couldn't run the endline in the frontcourt.

I'm always surprised when a high school player (let's say sophomore or above) asks me if he/she has the baseline. They've watched/played enough ball by then to know that rule. Maybe I expect too much

[VaTerp]

Wow just realizing this was in the frontcourt.

I'd rather see the T whistle and stop play when the kid left the spot thanend up with the outcome you did.

At least that way you could have prevented your partner from completely screwing both of you.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by loners4me

He takes 3 steps to the left...

Was the total distance more than 3 feet?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

I'm always surprised when a high school player (let's say sophomore or above) asks me if he/she has the baseline. They've watched/played enough ball by then to know that rule. Maybe I expect too much

Are you kidding? Players ask whose BALL it is after a timeout. And at halftime. And at the quarter break. You'd think they'd know how to read the possession arrow. And that the coach would mention something to them.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Rich

Are you kidding? Players ask whose BALL it is after a timeout. And at halftime. And at the quarter break. You'd think they'd know how to read the possession arrow. And that the coach would mention something to them.

A mechanic that I invented around here is at the end of a quarter (or half), I stand in the centre-circle and verbalize and point whose ball it on the ensuing DL throw-in to start the next quarter. I do this so that each coach can coach their players with knowing who we're giving the ball to.

Even with that, so many times at the start of that next quarter, "whose ball is it"?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

A mechanic that I invented around here is at the end of a quarter (or half), I stand in the centre-circle and verbalize and point whose ball it on the ensuing DL throw-in to start the next quarter. I do this so that each coach can coach their players with knowing who we're giving the ball to.

Even with that, so many times at the start of that next quarter, "whose ball is it"?

We go into the huddle on the first horn and tell them whose ball it is -- when the players come out, they STILL ask.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

Are you kidding? Players ask whose BALL it is after a timeout. And at halftime. And at the quarter break. You'd think they'd know how to read the possession arrow. And that the coach would mention something to them.

The coaches ask, too.