Contact above the shoulders

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by OKREF

So what do we have?

Incidental
PC
Intentional
Flagrant.


I know what I am calling.

I have an intentional. We were specifically instructed by our rules interperter that this play is an intentional foul due to the elbow being moving.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

I have an intentional. We were specifically instructed by our rules interperter that this play is an intentional foul due to the elbow being moving.

So every coach I know, teaches players to chin the ball and pivot. We better make sure that anytime a defensive player gets up on an offensive player and just barely touches them, we better have a foul on the defense, because they are taught to chin and pivot.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by OKREF

So every coach I know, teaches players to chin the ball and pivot. We better make sure that anytime a defensive player gets up on an offensive player and just barely touches them, we better have a foul on the defense, because they are taught to chin and pivot.

Who cares what players are taught? That doesn't necessarily make it right or legal.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Rich

Who cares what players are taught? That doesn't necessarily make it right or legal.

That is true.

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by OKREF

So every coach I know, teaches players to chin the ball and pivot. We better make sure that anytime a defensive player gets up on an offensive player and just barely touches them, we better have a foul on the defense, because they are taught to chin and pivot.

I taught them this too when I coached bc I knew it would rarely be called and then it was never intentional. This didn't make it legal only effective bc it was rarely enforced.

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

I have an intentional. We were specifically instructed by our rules interperter that this play is an intentional foul due to the elbow being moving.

So in some situations we are being asked to ignore the meaning of the word 'intent' in intentional foul....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

So in some situations we are being asked to ignore the meaning of the word 'intent' in intentional foul....

That's neither new nor isolated to this situation.

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by Adam

That's neither new nor isolated to this situation.

Please elaborate as I don't know of another situation where an intentional foul is being suggested as "automatic", where no intent exists by the offending player.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

Please elaborate as I don't know of another situation where an intentional foul is being suggested as "automatic", where no intent exists by the offending player.

Automatic? No. But intent is never required when excessive force is involved.