Inadvertent whistle

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is actually called an accidental whistle. Inadvertent whistle is a football term.

I have a 2011 NFHS rule book handy here at work. 4-36-1 says "inadvertent."

[OKREF]

A few years back it changed to "inadvertent", but at one time it was "accidental". Not sure what year it changed, but it has changed. If you try to search accidental on the NFHS App, nothing shows up.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I have a 2011 NFHS rule book handy here at work. 4-36-1 says "inadvertent."

Originally Posted by OKREF

A few years back it changed to "inadvertent", but at one time it was "accidental". Not sure what year it changed, but it has changed. If you try to search accidental on the NFHS App, nothing shows up.

After doing some research this is absolutely true. They did used to only use accidental whistle previously and it appears they have corrected this in almost every example or interpretation in the rulebook and casebook.

Still with that being said I still think that you go to the AP as all the rule did was change to what we classify a foul, not what happens in the situation with the ball. And since this is not a foul situation, the team is really not in Team Control as they would not be as it relates to a back court situation either. I also cannot find a specific casebook play at this time to dispute either action. Again my rational is the ball is loose at the time of the whistle off the throw-in. It might not be fair, but that is what the rules states for this remedy at this time.

Peace

[just another ref]

Intent and purpose of the rule. For this purpose, the team in control is the team which last had the ball, even if it is loose at the whistle. If you give a loose ball back to a team which last made any pass, I would also give it back to that team if the pass happened to be a throw-in pass.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Still with that being said I still think that you go to the AP as all the rule did was change to what we classify a foul, not what happens in the situation with the ball.
Peace

All they wanted the rule change to do was change how a foul by the team with the throw-in was handled. What it did was give the team with the throw-in team control.

In this situation, there has not been an event which ends A's TC which started on the throw-in before the inadvertent whistle occurred.

[jeremy341a]

Team A is dribbling the ball and it is knocked loose resulting in an interrupted dribble. During the interrupted dribble there is an inadvertant whistle. Team A would be awarded a throw-in due to them having team control correct? If this is correct when would we go to the arrow, only when the ball is in flight on a try?

I have read 4-36 but need help getting my mind around it.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

Team A is dribbling the ball and it is knocked loose resulting in an interrupted dribble. During the interrupted dribble there is an inadvertant whistle. Team A would be awarded a throw-in due to them having team control correct? If this is correct when would we go to the arrow, only when the ball is in flight on a try?

I have read 4-36 but need help getting my mind around it.

From the time the try is released until someone secures the rebound.

If the try is good, then the POI is a throw in along the endline for B.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

Team A is dribbling the ball and it is knocked loose resulting in an interrupted dribble. During the interrupted dribble there is an inadvertant whistle. Team A would be awarded a throw-in due to them having team control correct? If this is correct when would we go to the arrow, only when the ball is in flight on a try?

I have read 4-36 but need help getting my mind around it.

You would go to the AP arrow whenever there isn't team control or a try is missed.

The debate here is whether there is true TC on a throw-in or is a throw-in just a situation where a TC foul would be called but no other TC elements are applied.

What further complicates the matter is that a throw-in ends when the ball is legally touched (B1 tips throw-in) but we are told to call a TC foul up until someone secures player control.

The NFHS has made a mess of this rule. They should have just adopted the NCAA rule for Team Control and modified the 10-second, backcourt, 3-second rules to state PC must first be established.

[OKREF]

After thinking about this, team control on a throw in only applies to fouls, so if the whistle was blown while the ball was in the air, after B1 touches, and after hitting the backboard I would go with AP, if blown while in A1 possession then go with A's ball.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The NFHS has made a mess of this rule. They should have just adopted the NCAA rule for Team Control and modified the 10-second, backcourt, 3-second rules to state PC must first be established.

They never want to do that for some reason. They always want to be cute and adopt a rule but do not want to adopt the language which would be so much easier.

Peace

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

Team A is dribbling the ball and it is knocked loose resulting in an interrupted dribble. During the interrupted dribble there is an inadvertant whistle. Team A would be awarded a throw-in due to them having team control correct?

Is this correct?

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

Is this correct?

Yes. A gets the ball. Still have team control in an interrupted dribble.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

Is this correct?

Yes.