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Old Wed Mar 07, 2012, 01:40pm
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b1 has lgp before a1 leaves the floor, so i think pc is the correct call. That said, from the l's vantqage point it probably did look like a block because b1 comes in from the side.
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Old Wed Mar 07, 2012, 07:59pm
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I have a charge in first viewing. I watched the slow motion and rewinded it a few times and still a charge.

Defender establishes LPG and takes the contact right in the torso, he is clearly out of the RA. But it's a bang bang play and I thought the L did a good job of selling it hard and quickly.

I just think he got it wrong
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Old Wed Mar 07, 2012, 08:18pm
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if his foot is sliding, then it's on the floor and he has lgp.
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Old Wed Mar 07, 2012, 08:22pm
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I've got a charge on this. Live, I would go charge and want to see tape later. Slow, it gets pretty clear that it's a charge.
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Old Wed Mar 07, 2012, 10:41pm
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I have a charge but this is as bang bang as it gets.
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Old Wed Mar 07, 2012, 11:00pm
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PC, and I don't think its really that close. Then again, I come out of the locker room calling charges.

Seriously, we have to stop chickening-out (in my view what happens) on these calls. I feel like too many officials think the block is the "safe" call. Hold the defender to the guidelines of the rule and nothing more. We protect the shooter only in situations where the defender initiated or is otherwise responsible for the contact.
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Old Wed Mar 07, 2012, 11:02pm
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I think because I'm still learning, I would have called this a block as L. Very close and the fact that B was sliding (I know by rule he's allowed to) makes my first inclination for these types of plays to be a block. A1 also took off so close to the defender that it's the kind of play that will still surprise me sometimes.

What should the L have done differently?

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Old Wed Mar 07, 2012, 11:34pm
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What should the L have done differently?
Called the charge. Looks to me like he's in good enough position to see the defender.
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Old Wed Mar 07, 2012, 11:45pm
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Called the charge. Looks to me like he's in good enough position to see the defender.
Agreed. I don't think this is a matter of what the L could have done differently other than go the other way with the call.

It's bang bang and I can see how from the L's vantage point it may look like the defender slid late into the path or even under the offensive player if he thought the offense was already air borne.

I'm with the majority in going with a PC here but I've likely called similar plays a block before so I'm not too critical of an official going with the block. I'm sure he'll review it on tape, probably wish he went the other way, and have a higher accuracy percentage going forward than most everyone here, yours truly included.
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Agreed. I don't think this is a matter of what the L could have done differently other than go the other way with the call.

It's bang bang and I can see how from the L's vantage point it may look like the defender slid late into the path or even under the offensive player if he thought the offense was already air borne.

I'm with the majority in going with a PC here but I've likely called similar plays a block before so I'm not too critical of an official going with the block. I'm sure he'll review it on tape, probably wish he went the other way, and have a higher accuracy percentage going forward than most everyone here, yours truly included.
This is why I said in my first post a few days ago I was surprised Valentine didn't make the call...in large part because it's him but also because he had the best view of when the offensive player made contact.

I had a charge live, btw.

I agree with TexAggie and MTD, Sr. - a lot of guys, even at the upper levels, chicken out and go with the block because it's safe. Since I'm NCAAW someone who is an NCAAM official would have to tell me but I get the feeling on the Men's side of things the default is "when in doubt, call a block."
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Contact!

Since I can't seem to attach a picture I took a screen shot of the moment just before impact.

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JetMet, upload your pic here. TinyPic - Free Image Hosting, Photo Sharing & Video Hosting It's the easiest way to share a picture.
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Old Thu Mar 08, 2012, 09:14am
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Bless you, Welpe

Thanks.

As I was saying, here's a screen shot of the moment just before impact:

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After further review................?????

Still sticking with block?
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