Video request - another block/charge

[fullor30]

[QUOTE=tref;830422]Rich, in my opinion the left foot of the defender is still sliding to the right & his body moves slightly right when the contact occurs.



What does left foot moving have to do with anything? He's established. Of course he moves when there is contact???

[Rob1968]

It's a running jumpshot, with the shooter's right foot leaving the playing surface before the left. From the Lead's position, he sees the right foot off the floor, and judges that he's in the air. Hence, the block call.
But, with our other angles, and slow motion, we see that the shooter is not actually in the air until after the defender has LGP. Thus, PC.

[tref]

fullor30, In my opinion this 2ndary defender sliding in from the left side never had LGP. Even if he did, in your opinion, he may move to maintain LGP but not into the path of the shooter. That's just the way I see this play, especially from the endline angle.

[ballgame99]

Correction tref, the defender CAN move into the path of the shooter if that shooter has not become airborne (sorry I don't have rule ref handy). This defender does slide into LGP during the shooters shooting motion, but is there before shooter leaves the floor.

[tref]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Correction tref, the defender CAN move into the path of the shooter if that shooter has not become airborne (sorry I don't have rule ref handy). This defender does slide into LGP during the shooters shooting motion, but is there before shooter leaves the floor.

True, after obtaining LGP the defender may move to maintain it & can slide into the path provided they get there first.
In my opinion he never got LGP because his left foot was still sliding to the right trying to obtain LGP.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

CHARGE IT!!!

MTD, Sr.

P.S. I would have expected MTD, Jr., to be making that PC call from the L position by the end of the second game of his career.

[Camron Rust]

Charge....very close...but still a charge.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

CHARGE IT!!!

MTD, Sr.

P.S. I would have expected MTD, Jr., to be making that PC call from the L position by the end of the second game of his career.

You're exaggerating. This was an extremely close call and the responses here prove that to me. It's why I wanted to put it up for us to look at.

I respect the block call. I would've respected a PC call. It is really, really close.

Sometimes I think the "default to charge" mentality has taken the old "it's always a block" and swung completely the other way. I think a lot of officials at lower levels aren't looking at the plays and when there's a crash, just going the other way. Not at this level and I'm not talking about anyone here.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by tref

True, after obtaining LGP the defender may move to maintain it & can slide into the path provided they get there first.
In my opinion he never got LGP because his left foot was still sliding to the right trying to obtain LGP.

Again, what does left foot have to do with anything? He's already set, his body doesn't budge, in other words, his body never moves right due to left foot moving. let me ask you, if left foot moved backward and all else is same, what is your call?

It's very close , yet IMHO you're arriving at your call for the wrong reasons.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

You're exaggerating. This was an extremely close call and the responses here prove that to me. It's why I wanted to put it up for us to look at.

I respect the block call. I would've respected a PC call. It is really, really close.

Sometimes I think the "default to charge" mentality has taken the old "it's always a block" and swung completely the other way. I think a lot of officials at lower levels aren't looking at the plays and when there's a crash, just going the other way. Not at this level and I'm not talking about anyone here.

Rich:

With all do respect, I thought it was an easy call. Either the defender established a LGP or he didn't and I thought it was a no brainer, at least for me, that it was a charge.

It is my opinion that too many times a block is called on a bang-bang block/charge, when it really is a charge, and this is because the official either does not the rule, fails to officiate the defense, or (at the H.S. level) is afraid to call a charge because a block is the expected call by coaches in far too many areas.

MTD, Sr.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Rich:

With all do respect, I thought it was an easy call. Either the defender established a LGP or he didn't and I thought it was a no brainer, at least for me, that it was a charge.

It is my opinion that too many times a block is called on a bang-bang block/charge, when it really is a charge, and this is because the official either does not the rule, fails to officiate the defense, or (at the H.S. level) is afraid to call a charge because a block is the expected call by coaches in far too many areas.

MTD, Sr.

Agreed, it was close, but it was a charge.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

True, after obtaining LGP the defender may move to maintain it & can slide into the path provided they get there first.
In my opinion he never got LGP because his left foot was still sliding to the right trying to obtain LGP.

If his foot is sliding, then it's on the floor and he has LGP.

I haven't seen the video yet.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

CHARGE

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

He continues to reach new plateaus.

[tref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

He continues to reach new plateaus.

That was a good episode though!