Video request - another block/charge

[ballgame99]

B1 has LGP before A1 leaves the floor, so I think PC is the correct call. That said, from the L's vantqage point it probably did look like a block because B1 comes in from the side.

[Rich]

Tell me what I'm missing here, guys:

2 feet down in front of the ball handler, contact in the torso. Looks like the defender established LGP before the shooter went airborne.

I'll admit this is very, very close -- I watched it a number of times on my DVR before thinking "this would be a good play for the forum."

[tref]

Rich, in my opinion the left foot of the defender is still sliding to the right & his body moves slightly right when the contact occurs.

The endline angle is the best look.

[fullor30]

[QUOTE=tref;830422]Rich, in my opinion the left foot of the defender is still sliding to the right & his body moves slightly right when the contact occurs.



What does left foot moving have to do with anything? He's established. Of course he moves when there is contact???

[tref]

fullor30, In my opinion this 2ndary defender sliding in from the left side never had LGP. Even if he did, in your opinion, he may move to maintain LGP but not into the path of the shooter. That's just the way I see this play, especially from the endline angle.

[ballgame99]

Correction tref, the defender CAN move into the path of the shooter if that shooter has not become airborne (sorry I don't have rule ref handy). This defender does slide into LGP during the shooters shooting motion, but is there before shooter leaves the floor.

[tref]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Correction tref, the defender CAN move into the path of the shooter if that shooter has not become airborne (sorry I don't have rule ref handy). This defender does slide into LGP during the shooters shooting motion, but is there before shooter leaves the floor.

True, after obtaining LGP the defender may move to maintain it & can slide into the path provided they get there first.
In my opinion he never got LGP because his left foot was still sliding to the right trying to obtain LGP.

[gslefeb]

At :20 secs... Looks like defender obtains LGP while A1 is two steps away. Then the defender moves laterally and contact is in the chest.

[twocentsworth]

I'd go PC on this...

here's my philosophy: "a block is a block, a charge is a charge, and everything else is a charge".

translation: the obvious blocking fouls are blocks, the obvious charges should be called a charge, and everything else in between those two - are charges.

officials default to a blocking foul WAY too much, imho.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

I'd go PC on this...

here's my philosophy: "a block is a block, a charge is a charge, and everything else is a charge".

translation: the obvious blocking fouls are blocks, the obvious charges should be called a charge, and everything else in between those two - are charges.

officials default to a blocking foul WAY too much, imho.

I'd rather apply consistent principles than default to anything. I could see this one going either way, especially having to do so in real time.

[Da Official]

Not sure what else the defender could have done better.....LGP is there...I would have liked an offensive foul there but close enough where a block is acceptable.

[tref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I'd rather apply consistent principles than default to anything. I could see this one going either way, especially having to do so in real time.

Was there a similar 50/50 play that was called a block earlier in the game?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

CHARGE IT!!!

MTD, Sr.

P.S. I would have expected MTD, Jr., to be making that PC call from the L position by the end of the second game of his career.

[Texas Aggie]

PC, and I don't think its really that close. Then again, I come out of the locker room calling charges.

Seriously, we have to stop chickening-out (in my view what happens) on these calls. I feel like too many officials think the block is the "safe" call. Hold the defender to the guidelines of the rule and nothing more. We protect the shooter only in situations where the defender initiated or is otherwise responsible for the contact.

[Rob1968]

It's a running jumpshot, with the shooter's right foot leaving the playing surface before the left. From the Lead's position, he sees the right foot off the floor, and judges that he's in the air. Hence, the block call.
But, with our other angles, and slow motion, we see that the shooter is not actually in the air until after the defender has LGP. Thus, PC.