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And yes, there is a good chance that is flagrant. It is much much worse than just saying that the official is terrible. Imagine there is an assignor who finds out that one of his officials did a terrible job one game. Now imagine the assignor finds out an official was cheating and trying to make sure that one team won. If an official did a bad job one game he could just need more training or possibly just had a bad game. An official who is cheating is entirely different and much more serious. Likewise a coach accusing you of cheating is entirely different and much more serious than a coach telling you that you are awful. |
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I agree with most that almost all of these require context and are not immediate T's ... but could be.
However, put me in the camp of ALWAYS T'ing up the 8v5 comment. I don't think it's just me either - saying (or implying) the officials are intentionally calling against 1 team is equivalent to saying they are cheating. This is right up there with, "How much are they paying you for these calls?" or "Gee ref, got money on this game?"
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In reading all the opinions on this thread I have come to the conclusion that I either have thick skin or haven't worked enough games. (Disclaimer I'm all JV, AAU and rec at this point). The only T's I can remember issuing are for F bombs loud enough for the arena to hear. And those were by players. I have had coaches make comments that require my attention but nothing that has made me "whack" them for it.
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A coach saying that you are doing a terrible job is a technical foul. I feel very sorry for whoever works with you. You need to stop sucking up to the coaches and call some technical fouls.
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because that is not what Rut is saying at all. I also doubt he sucks up to coaches.
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Let me ask you this, how many Ts are acceptable to you. After all you are the expert on this topic. Grow some skin on your back and stop worrying about what a coach says to you. Peace
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What, you mean to tell me the coaches dont assign games in the Land of Lincoln??
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Yes we have a novel idea here in the Land of Lincoln. We actually have these people you call "assignors" and they give games. These "assignors" are often current officials that know officiating on some level and give games based on who they like (Many are State Final or college officials). And in many cases they could give a darn what a coach thinks and will still use officials on their staff. Also there are these things called Holiday Tournaments and Post season that even if a coach does not like you, there is not "scratch" list and you will get the very same coach that tried to ban you in conference play. It works out quite well and coaches have absolutely no say in where I work or do not work. Heck they certainly cannot control who you see in a non-conference game at all, so it is not unusual to see a coach on the road.
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Some people have a quick trigger when it comes to giving a "T" to a coach. I have always been a guy to try to talk to someone first. Most of these cases are HTBT moments and also depends on who you are and who the coach is.
My opinion is that if you are going to stick a coach then make sure it is consistent throughout the season (maybe even career). The only thing I have against trying to be the quickest one to the T, is that you are looked at as unapproachable by coaches. We all have made a slip and sometimes it takes a coach a warning and a look to make him realize he said something we do not like. If he really wants the "T" he'll say it again and get his present. I've learned that word travels fast, both in the officiating world and coaching world. People will learn that you have a quick trigger and they will try to avoid you. I'm not out here to make enemies with the coaches and that's what I think this tactic will bring. HOWEVER... We all can name good/great officials that work some of the best ball that have quick triggers. It is all a part of your personality and style. |
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But I will say that there is no correct answer to any of them. You could handle every situation perfectly and go 10 games without a technical foul. Then something comes up, which you also handle perfectly, and you call 10 technical fouls in a quarter. I know you say that there are no absolutes but that isn't how it should be. Some things such as personal insults ("you suck at officiating basektball") as well as accusing the officials of cheating ("you are making those calls because you are trying to help the other team win") are always a technical foul. Do you call technical fouls if someone yells "damn"? Saying "call the damn foul" really isn't any different. |
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