Let's play the T-Worthy Game

[fiasco]

Was going through my mind some of the statements I've heard coaches say over the years. Was wondering whether, in and of themselves, you find them T-worthy.

"You have no clue what you're doing out there, do you?"

"Seriously, that call was atrocious."

"Do you have a problem with me?"

"What is your problem?"

"You're doing a great job, but your partner is awful."

"It's tough playing 8 on 5."

"Blow your whistle for crying out loud!"

[tref]

Originally Posted by fiasco

was going through my mind some of the statements i've heard coaches say over the years. Was wondering whether, in and of themselves, you find them t-worthy.

"You have no clue what you're doing out there, do you?" T

"Seriously, that call was atrocious." Depends if my call was bad or not.

"Do you have a problem with me?" "I dont have problems, I solve them, coach."

"What is your problem?" see above

"You're doing a great job, but your partner is awful." Partner lets switch, coach has something for you.

"It's tough playing 8 on 5." T

"Blow your whistle for crying out loud!"

T or "call a play they can half way run" (mouth covered)

[Toren]

You're partner has been screwing me all night long, you have got to help me out.

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Was going through my mind some of the statements I've heard coaches say over the years. Was wondering whether, in and of themselves, you find them T-worthy.

"You have no clue what you're doing out there, do you?"

T

"Seriously, that call was atrocious."

HTBT, but probably not unless it's a "last straw" comment.

"Do you have a problem with me?"

HTBT, but probably not

"What is your problem?"

HTBT. Probably not, but depends on tone and volume of the comment

"You're doing a great job, but your partner is awful."

T

"It's tough playing 8 on 5."

T

"Blow your whistle for crying out loud!"

Probably not, almost certainly not if coach stops after the first three words

[APG]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Was going through my mind some of the statements I've heard coaches say over the years. Was wondering whether, in and of themselves, you find them T-worthy.

"You have no clue what you're doing out there, do you?" Nope

"Seriously, that call was atrocious." Nope

"Do you have a problem with me?" Nope

"What is your problem?" Nope

"You're doing a great job, but your partner is awful." No, but I'm telling coach very sternly to cut the crap out and I'll mention to my partner what was said

"It's tough playing 8 on 5." If said anything above a whisper, then whack

"Blow your whistle for crying out loud!" Nope

.

[Toren]

Haha, I misunderstood the game.

Originally Posted by fiasco

Was going through my mind some of the statements I've heard coaches say over the years. Was wondering whether, in and of themselves, you find them T-worthy.

"You have no clue what you're doing out there, do you?"
No

"Seriously, that call was atrocious."
No

"Do you have a problem with me?"
No

"What is your problem?"
Yes

"You're doing a great job, but your partner is awful."
Depends on how loud this is.

"It's tough playing 8 on 5."
No (it really is tough)

"Blow your whistle for crying out loud!"
No

[rockyroad]

Every single one of those statements could be worthy of a T...it really all depends on how they are said and when they are said. If it's the first thing a coach says to me during a game, then probably not except for the 8 on 5 one...if the coach has been talked to and told to knock it off, then all of them are worthy of a T...

It's not necessarily what they say, but how they say it.

[APG]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Every single one of those statements could be worthy of a T...it really all depends on how they are said and when they are said. If it's the first thing a coach says to me during a game, then probably not except for the 8 on 5 one...if the coach has been talked to and told to knock it off, then all of them are worthy of a T...

It's not necessarily what they say, but how they say it.

I think that's why he asked in of itself. All of these statements could be a T if the right circumstances are met.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I think that's why he asked in of itself. All of these statements could be a T if the right circumstances are met.

Every one of these could result in a T and every one might not get a T based on a lot of factors as well. There are no absolutes in this game and trying to make it that way will only not give you a feel for the game. Almost all of these would result in the situation being addressed if heard, but many might not be heard as I would not be next to a coach or player at all times. I try my best to handle situations without a T and it works a lot. Also there is a thing called ABS where none of these things would result in a T but things much so egregious on their own.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Every single one of those statements could be worthy of a T...it really all depends on how they are said and when they are said. If it's the first thing a coach says to me during a game, then probably not except for the 8 on 5 one...if the coach has been talked to and told to knock it off, then all of them are worthy of a T...

It's not necessarily what they say, but how they say it.

^^^what he said.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

"You have no clue what you're doing out there, do you?" Nope

"You're doing a great job, but your partner is awful." No, but I'm telling coach very sternly to cut the crap out and I'll mention to my partner what was said

"It's tough playing 8 on 5." If said anything above a whisper, then whack

You let him tell you how terrible you are and you are ok with that?

You let him tell you how terrible your partner is and you are ok with that?

You let him accuse you and both of your partners of cheating and you are ok with that as long as it is said softly?

You really need to stop letting guys walk all over you.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Cobra

You let him tell you how terrible you are and you are ok with that?

You let him tell you how terrible your partner is and you are ok with that?

You let him accuse you and both of your partners of cheating and you are ok with that as long as it is said softly?

You really need to stop letting guys walk all over you.

APG obviously knows how to communicate when/if those situations arise.

Some of us go to the T immediately, others use the tool when all else fails.

[mbyron]

Here's another one for the list (happened to me last Friday):

"You should go back to JV."

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Cobra

You let him tell you how terrible you are and you are ok with that?

You let him tell you how terrible your partner is and you are ok with that?

You let him accuse you and both of your partners of cheating and you are ok with that as long as it is said softly?

You really need to stop letting guys walk all over you.

First of all do not overreact. Coaches tell us how terrible we are all the time and a lot of officials do nothing. Let us not act like this does not take place or that you would be surprised if a T is not given. Everything has a context and a tone to it. When a coach gives the foul count they are questioning your integrity and I rarely see a T given for that immediately. I have had coaches make suggestions about the make-up of the crew or where they think we live and not gotten a T.

I seriously doubt that allowing these have anything to do with someone walking all over anyone. If anything I would wonder why you were so thinned skinned if every time someone said something to you negative you were giving a T. That could also be a wrong evaluation as well. We all do not have the same tolerance level for these things, which is why some are considered good at GM issues and others are not. You cannot pull a comment out of the sky and always how the situation should be handled.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by Cobra

You let him tell you how terrible you are and you are ok with that?

You let him tell you how terrible your partner is and you are ok with that?

You let him accuse you and both of your partners of cheating and you are ok with that as long as it is said softly?

You really need to stop letting guys walk all over you.

I'm not going to just let a coach do anything. If I have an opportunity to address the behavior, then I'll try to. Sometimes a coach doesn't allow us to show him the line he's about to cross so an immediate whack is warranted. But the OP asked, in of itself, if the statements above would warrant an immediate T. I believe in very few "automatic" T's (I sound like JRut here )

And as a matter of fact, I all but said the 8v5 would be a T