Let's play the T-Worthy Game

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Coaches think anytime you are not calling everything your way they say you are doing a terrible job. That comes with the territory. I am sorry but that seems like you need to man up and stop worrying about what a coach says to or about you.

A coach saying that you are doing a terrible job is a technical foul. I feel very sorry for whoever works with you. You need to stop sucking up to the coaches and call some technical fouls.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Cobra

A coach saying that you are doing a terrible job is a technical foul. I feel very sorry for whoever works with you. You need to stop sucking up to the coaches and call some technical fouls.

You missed the because that is not what Rut is saying at all. I also doubt he sucks up to coaches.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Cobra

A coach saying that you are doing a terrible job is a technical foul. I feel very sorry for whoever works with you. You need to stop sucking up to the coaches and call some technical fouls.

Sucking up to coaches for what?

Let me ask you this, how many Ts are acceptable to you. After all you are the expert on this topic.

Grow some skin on your back and stop worrying about what a coach says to you.

Peace

[tref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Sucking up to coaches for what?

What, you mean to tell me the coaches dont assign games in the Land of Lincoln??

Some guys...

[JRutledge]

Yes we have a novel idea here in the Land of Lincoln. We actually have these people you call "assignors" and they give games. These "assignors" are often current officials that know officiating on some level and give games based on who they like (Many are State Final or college officials). And in many cases they could give a darn what a coach thinks and will still use officials on their staff. Also there are these things called Holiday Tournaments and Post season that even if a coach does not like you, there is not "scratch" list and you will get the very same coach that tried to ban you in conference play. It works out quite well and coaches have absolutely no say in where I work or do not work. Heck they certainly cannot control who you see in a non-conference game at all, so it is not unusual to see a coach on the road.



Peace

[berserkBBK]

Some people have a quick trigger when it comes to giving a "T" to a coach. I have always been a guy to try to talk to someone first. Most of these cases are HTBT moments and also depends on who you are and who the coach is.

My opinion is that if you are going to stick a coach then make sure it is consistent throughout the season (maybe even career). The only thing I have against trying to be the quickest one to the T, is that you are looked at as unapproachable by coaches. We all have made a slip and sometimes it takes a coach a warning and a look to make him realize he said something we do not like. If he really wants the "T" he'll say it again and get his present.

I've learned that word travels fast, both in the officiating world and coaching world. People will learn that you have a quick trigger and they will try to avoid you. I'm not out here to make enemies with the coaches and that's what I think this tactic will bring.

HOWEVER... We all can name good/great officials that work some of the best ball that have quick triggers. It is all a part of your personality and style.

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by berserkBBK

Some people have a quick trigger when it comes to giving a "T" to a coach. I have always been a guy to try to talk to someone first. Most of these cases are HTBT moments and also depends on who you are and who the coach is.

My opinion is that if you are going to stick a coach then make sure it is consistent throughout the season (maybe even career). The only thing I have against trying to be the quickest one to the T, is that you are looked at as unapproachable by coaches. We all have made a slip and sometimes it takes a coach a warning and a look to make him realize he said something we do not like. If he really wants the "T" he'll say it again and get his present.

I've learned that word travels fast, both in the officiating world and coaching world. People will learn that you have a quick trigger and they will try to avoid you. I'm not out here to make enemies with the coaches and that's what I think this tactic will bring.

HOWEVER... We all can name good/great officials that work some of the best ball that have quick triggers. It is all a part of your personality and style.

Quick triggers or slow triggers. If a coach utters the words F--K, Sh-t, @s-, or Damn in a direct statement to me in anger I'm whacking them, even if its my Mom.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Let me ask you this, how many Ts are acceptable to you. After all you are the expert on this topic.

I really don't understand the question as there is no context given whatsoever....acceptable in a game? In 10 games? In one quarter? What actions are causing you to call the fouls?

But I will say that there is no correct answer to any of them. You could handle every situation perfectly and go 10 games without a technical foul. Then something comes up, which you also handle perfectly, and you call 10 technical fouls in a quarter.

I know you say that there are no absolutes but that isn't how it should be. Some things such as personal insults ("you suck at officiating basektball") as well as accusing the officials of cheating ("you are making those calls because you are trying to help the other team win") are always a technical foul.

Originally Posted by fiasco

I find it absurd that he thinks an official who determines that "call the damn foul" is being overly sensitive by calling a T in that situation, as if it has anything to do with an officials sensitivity. It doesn't.

Do you call technical fouls if someone yells "damn"? Saying "call the damn foul" really isn't any different.

[Adam]

This is all regional. Some areas, you'll get laughed out for calling a T for "call the damn foul.". Others, you had better make that call. Most, it will depend on context, tone, and location.

[bob jenkins]

Every year (or more often) we have big discussions about whether "damn" (or any other word) is "profanity". I wouldnt even be surprised if some guy from DC and Idaho participated in them. Go ahead and call it. I won't (absent other items) and I'll sleep well.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Go ahead and call it. I won't (absent other items) and I'll sleep well.

I will call it. Difference between me and others, though, is that I won't look down on you (ie, call you insensitive or a doormat) for not calling it.

We all have our own standards when it comes to stuff like this and, IMO, that's okay. (notice about 30 posts ago where I told you we'd just have to agree to disagree on the issue)

[Rich]

I thought of this thread tonight. I was working a boys game at the school that's probably #1 in the state in D4 (small school division) and the score was 48-5 at the half.

Fourth quarter and the losing coach is complaining and finally I slide alongside him during free throws and he goes on and on about the other team being bigger, faster, quicker and us letting them get away with stuff. I let him talk himself out and then we move on. Later I told him we'd heard enough. Frankly, I felt bad they were getting killed, but I didn't need to be the scapegoat.

Next time down the floor, the home team substitutes and the assistants tell them "no fouls, no fouls". And the losing coach loudly says, "It doesn't matter - they won't call them anyway."

It ended 88-12. Kid shooting the technicals hit 1 of 2.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I will call it. Difference between me and others, though, is that I won't look down on you (ie, call you insensitive or a doormat) for not calling it.

We all have our own standards when it comes to stuff like this and, IMO, that's okay. (notice about 30 posts ago where I told you we'd just have to agree to disagree on the issue)

Really? Because I certainly thought you called Rich a doormat in this thread.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Cobra

I really don't understand the question as there is no context given whatsoever....acceptable in a game? In 10 games? In one quarter? What actions are causing you to call the fouls?

You are the one that suggested that I was being walked all over, so whatever you think should be sufficient. Again, this seems to be a problem for you, not me.

Originally Posted by Cobra

But I will say that there is no correct answer to any of them. You could handle every situation perfectly and go 10 games without a technical foul. Then something comes up, which you also handle perfectly, and you call 10 technical fouls in a quarter.

I agree, which was my point.

Originally Posted by Cobra

I know you say that there are no absolutes but that isn't how it should be. Some things such as personal insults ("you suck at officiating basektball") as well as accusing the officials of cheating ("you are making those calls because you are trying to help the other team win") are always a technical foul.

I am at the point of my career I really do not care what coaches say to me. As long as they are not loud and bombastic and bring attention to themselves, honestly I do not care. If you do that is your issue. Coaches in basketball are some of the most paranoid individuals around. They take every call personally and think everything like the racial makeup of the crew, the conference they are working in or where they "think" the officials are from or live at has something to do with the calls. I live in a very diverse area where all these things can be a factor directly and indirectly. And if I got upset every implication of cheating was said, I would go crazy.

Originally Posted by Cobra

Do you call technical fouls if someone yells "damn"? Saying "call the damn foul" really isn't any different.

I would get laughed at if I called a T for someone saying damn or even some things that are worse.

Like as others have said, this is really a local issue. If everyone gives a T like you do be my guest. If I did that here, I would not work much or get a bad reputation. I know how to handle myself and I see enough of these teams where most of the time I do not even have to say anything, they act right because they know me or others are not going to fall for their crap. I do not need a T to send that message. I know once this was discussed, but I believe the presence I have on the court keeps me out of a lot of these situation you are giving Ts for.

Peace