Let's play the T-Worthy Game

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Let me ask you this, how many Ts are acceptable to you. After all you are the expert on this topic.

I really don't understand the question as there is no context given whatsoever....acceptable in a game? In 10 games? In one quarter? What actions are causing you to call the fouls?

But I will say that there is no correct answer to any of them. You could handle every situation perfectly and go 10 games without a technical foul. Then something comes up, which you also handle perfectly, and you call 10 technical fouls in a quarter.

I know you say that there are no absolutes but that isn't how it should be. Some things such as personal insults ("you suck at officiating basektball") as well as accusing the officials of cheating ("you are making those calls because you are trying to help the other team win") are always a technical foul.

Originally Posted by fiasco

I find it absurd that he thinks an official who determines that "call the damn foul" is being overly sensitive by calling a T in that situation, as if it has anything to do with an officials sensitivity. It doesn't.

Do you call technical fouls if someone yells "damn"? Saying "call the damn foul" really isn't any different.

[Adam]

This is all regional. Some areas, you'll get laughed out for calling a T for "call the damn foul.". Others, you had better make that call. Most, it will depend on context, tone, and location.

[bob jenkins]

Every year (or more often) we have big discussions about whether "damn" (or any other word) is "profanity". I wouldnt even be surprised if some guy from DC and Idaho participated in them. Go ahead and call it. I won't (absent other items) and I'll sleep well.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Go ahead and call it. I won't (absent other items) and I'll sleep well.

I will call it. Difference between me and others, though, is that I won't look down on you (ie, call you insensitive or a doormat) for not calling it.

We all have our own standards when it comes to stuff like this and, IMO, that's okay. (notice about 30 posts ago where I told you we'd just have to agree to disagree on the issue)

[Rich]

I thought of this thread tonight. I was working a boys game at the school that's probably #1 in the state in D4 (small school division) and the score was 48-5 at the half.

Fourth quarter and the losing coach is complaining and finally I slide alongside him during free throws and he goes on and on about the other team being bigger, faster, quicker and us letting them get away with stuff. I let him talk himself out and then we move on. Later I told him we'd heard enough. Frankly, I felt bad they were getting killed, but I didn't need to be the scapegoat.

Next time down the floor, the home team substitutes and the assistants tell them "no fouls, no fouls". And the losing coach loudly says, "It doesn't matter - they won't call them anyway."

It ended 88-12. Kid shooting the technicals hit 1 of 2.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I thought of this thread tonight. .

Me, too.

Home team up by about 15 in the 4th. I'm in front of the coach. "You guys have to call more handchecks." "I just had one last time down the court." (true). "Well, yes, but you're not getting any help from your partners out here tonight." "Let's not go there."

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I will call it. Difference between me and others, though, is that I won't look down on you (ie, call you insensitive or a doormat) for not calling it.

We all have our own standards when it comes to stuff like this and, IMO, that's okay. (notice about 30 posts ago where I told you we'd just have to agree to disagree on the issue)

Really? Because I certainly thought you called Rich a doormat in this thread.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Really? Because I certainly thought you called Rich a doormat in this thread.

He was using satire in pointing out Rich's presumption that those who would call the T are thin skinned.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Really? Because I certainly thought you called Rich a doormat in this thread.

What? Forum members never call each other names. That reminds me, isn't it about time for Jurassic Referee to return from his sabbatical?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Cobra

I really don't understand the question as there is no context given whatsoever....acceptable in a game? In 10 games? In one quarter? What actions are causing you to call the fouls?

You are the one that suggested that I was being walked all over, so whatever you think should be sufficient. Again, this seems to be a problem for you, not me.

Originally Posted by Cobra

But I will say that there is no correct answer to any of them. You could handle every situation perfectly and go 10 games without a technical foul. Then something comes up, which you also handle perfectly, and you call 10 technical fouls in a quarter.

I agree, which was my point.

Originally Posted by Cobra

I know you say that there are no absolutes but that isn't how it should be. Some things such as personal insults ("you suck at officiating basektball") as well as accusing the officials of cheating ("you are making those calls because you are trying to help the other team win") are always a technical foul.

I am at the point of my career I really do not care what coaches say to me. As long as they are not loud and bombastic and bring attention to themselves, honestly I do not care. If you do that is your issue. Coaches in basketball are some of the most paranoid individuals around. They take every call personally and think everything like the racial makeup of the crew, the conference they are working in or where they "think" the officials are from or live at has something to do with the calls. I live in a very diverse area where all these things can be a factor directly and indirectly. And if I got upset every implication of cheating was said, I would go crazy.

Originally Posted by Cobra

Do you call technical fouls if someone yells "damn"? Saying "call the damn foul" really isn't any different.

I would get laughed at if I called a T for someone saying damn or even some things that are worse.

Like as others have said, this is really a local issue. If everyone gives a T like you do be my guest. If I did that here, I would not work much or get a bad reputation. I know how to handle myself and I see enough of these teams where most of the time I do not even have to say anything, they act right because they know me or others are not going to fall for their crap. I do not need a T to send that message. I know once this was discussed, but I believe the presence I have on the court keeps me out of a lot of these situation you are giving Ts for.

Peace