Just a Word of Caution...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

As usual, JRut applies his standards to everyone else and they are automatically wrong if they do anything differently than he does. Then he backtracks and tries to talk his way out of it when Snaqwells quotes him.

You should NEVER change clothes outside of a restroom or locker room while on school property. What was witnessed would be enough to get a person charged with indecent exposure...or worse. Given some individuals' propensity for overreaction, it would not be surprising to see someone given lifetime placement on the sex offender registry.

I guess this statement came directly from me? Oh, if you cannot read correctly, this was in the email that was referenced in very first post of this thread from an assignor not in my area.

Originally Posted by zm1283

Edit: And by the way, I do agree with the part in the OP about schools complaining. If they refuse to provide somewhere to change, they can't complain about us dressing outside. With that said, even the middle schools I speak of above that start their games at 3:00 would find somewhere for us to dress if we wanted.

Hmmmmmmmm, interesting. Is that not pretty much the exact statement I made previously?

I better not ever hear you tell others what to they should do, because after all that would be your standards right?

Peace

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I guess this statement came directly from me? Oh, if you cannot read correctly, this was in the email that was referenced in very first post of this thread from an assignor not in my area.



Hmmmmmmmm, interesting. Is that not pretty much the exact statement I made previously?

I better not ever hear you tell others what to they should do, because after all that would be your standards right?

Peace

I wasn't directing that part at you. It was just a general statement.

The gist of the thread was you getting on your high horse about middle school games and how anyone who goes dressed is unprofessional, when in reality there are assignors who are fine with officials going to afternoon MS games dressed.

We all know you wouldn't work MS games, and especially MS games where you might have to go dressed. They are well beneath you, we get it.

Why is it that every time a prolonged argument happens on this board, you are involved?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I wasn't directing that part at you. It was just a general statement.

The gist of the thread was you getting on your high horse about middle school games and how anyone who goes dressed is unprofessional, when in reality there are assignors who are fine with officials going to afternoon MS games dressed.

I did? I guess you did not read the OP or the comments about being accused of being a sex offender for what officials were doing in the parking lot. And then I guess you did not read the many other posts of people saying what they wear or would wear to games in this thread and never having worked a game at that level where they did not have a locker room provided by the school. Actually since I have been here a lot longer than you have, I think I know probably a little more of what is standard across the country. Most people's standards do not change with MS games of any kind. Actually most take exception if you treat these games lesser than a HS game in any way. How about this, stick around a little while and you might notice some things.

Originally Posted by zm1283

We all know you wouldn't work MS games, and especially MS games where you might have to go dressed. They are well beneath you, we get it.

How do you explain I worked a IESA (Illinois Elementary School Association) Regional and IESA Sectional about a year ago on back to back weekends? And I drove an hour for one of those games and about 30 good minutes to the other in rural Illinois. Wanna know what I wore to the game? I wore the very same thing I wear going to a HS games. Wanna know what my partner wore, the very same thing he wears to a HS game (he was one of my HS partners). And if you think it was jeans and a T-shirt, you would be wrong. I wore a nice shirt with a collar and dress pants and dress shoes. I shined my officiating shoes and wore the same jacket on the floor that I do when working any other HS game. We got to those games about an hour before tip off. But hey, I guess that is what you do when a game is beneath you right? Actually it is kind of hard to work any MS game when you teach a class, run an association meeting and work another sport both HS and college all during the fall. Also some of us get other levels of games than what is at the HS game. I do not know about you, but I am not turning down games that not only make more money or are closer to my house to work a MS game. But hey, you know right?

Originally Posted by zm1283

Why is it that every time a prolonged argument happens on this board, you are involved?

Really? I will have to keep that in mind the next time I read about 10 pages of debates over if a backcourt violation or a debate over tax returns I guess I must have been involved in those too? Actually if you were paying any damn attention you might see I hardly post in most topics as they have been done before multiple times.

Peace

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did? I guess you did not read the OP or the comments about being accused of being a sex offender for what officials were doing in the parking lot. And then I guess you did not read the many other posts of people saying what they wear or would wear to games in this thread and never having worked a game at that level where they did not have a locker room provided by the school. Actually since I have been here a lot longer than you have, I think I know probably a little more of what is standard across the country. Most people's standards do not change with MS games of any kind. Actually most take exception if you treat these games lesser than a HS game in any way. How about this, stick around a little while and you might notice some things.

Oh yes, the old "I've been on a message board longer so I know best" routine. Who said standards change with MS games? Going to the game dressed because it starts at 3:00 and you don't have time to get there an hour early to change doesn't mean you aren't going to work as hard as you do in a HS game. In some areas, this one included, that is the way it is. The assignor will take anyone he can get to work 3:00 games, and going dressed is the standard here.

I agree that if you really want somewhere to change, they can probably find somewhere for you. But, at the schools I speak of locally, I have asked for a room before and they have told me to go in the home team's locker room.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Oh yes, the old "I've been on a message board longer so I know best" routine. Who said standards change with MS games? Going to the game dressed because it starts at 3:00 and you don't have time to get there an hour early to change doesn't mean you aren't going to work as hard as you do in a HS game. In some areas, this one included, that is the way it is. The assignor will take anyone he can get to work 3:00 games, and going dressed is the standard here.

I agree that if you really want somewhere to change, they can probably find somewhere for you. But, at the schools I speak of locally, I have asked for a room before and they have told me to go in the home team's locker room.

The reason I said that is you seem to know more about what people say here than I do. Again you have not address why most by far have said they have never worked where they were not provided a place to get dressed or why the email was given and sent to officials in the OPers area? Why do you think that was sent around in the first place?? Do you think it was sent around because it was expected for the officials to get dressed outside of a locker room? OK, you live in an area where you can come dressed, good for you. I think that is unprofessional just like I feel a lot of things are unprofessional regardless of the area like wearing a CCA jacket to one of these games or not shining shoes. If you do not agree, that is your right to not agree. But I do not have to change my standards because you do not like them. And believe it or not, there are going to be people in this thing we do that will make judgments about officials that do not jive with your personal standards. We have people here that come here all the time and complain about "politics" when I bet it is mostly they are unwilling to do something that is expected and chalk up their lack of success to politics.

Peace