I violated rule #1.....not THAT rule #1

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

Apparently in the OP, they did listen to the jerk. According to him, the girls stayed just behind the 3-point line on the technical shots. Without penalty.

OFC1 didn't listen. Not to the jerk. OFC3 was just as stoneless for letting his partner get run over time after time. And he is getting a penalty. Everyone but you on this board thinks he is a jerk.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Can someone have more than one screen name?

There's no minimum height requirement.

Obviously.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Look, I'm just as happy to see this a$$. coach taken to the woodshed over this, but:

I'm the father of a girl and I find it offensive that anyone thinks that the standards should be different for a female coach or a coach that is in charge of female players. It's as sexist as it gets.

Agree. Judge the actions. I can't speak for him but I don't think that Dan meant it that way though.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Look, I'm just as happy to see this a$$. coach taken to the woodshed over this, but:

I'm the father of a girl and I find it offensive that anyone thinks that the standards should be different for a female coach or a coach that is in charge of female players. It's as sexist as it gets.

...fair enough.

Would you be happier if I changed it to "... ANY coach using profanity in front of a group of girls and boys."?

I just think it is bushleague to use profanity when coaching KIDS (girls or boys). If a Father or Mother wants to use a few choice words, in private, so be it...but, to be in a position of authority, in public, and in front of kids that their parents may not want such language used...shows a lack of respect for everyone around. JMHO.



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[Loudwhistle]

[QUOTE=RookieDude;721991]...fair enough.

Would you be happier if I changed it to "... ANY coach using profanity in front of a group of girls and boys."? (This is exactly what I thought you meant.)

I just think it is bushleague to use profanity when coaching KIDS (girls or boys). If a Father or Mother wants to use a few choice words, in private, so be it...but, to be in a position of authority, in public, and in front of kids that their parents may not want such language used...shows a lack of respect for everyone around. JMHO.

+1

[Rich]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

...fair enough.

Would you be happier if I changed it to "... ANY coach using profanity in front of a group of girls and boys."?

Personally, I think it belittles any adult to use that language around kids. I can get through the toughest of games on the court without using profanity, so the coaches should be able to, as well.

So I guess it means that I may not punish the coach for doing it, but I certainly think less of them and their lazy vocabulary.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Personally, I think it belittles any adult to use that language around kids. I can get through the toughest of games on the court without using profanity, so the coaches should be able to, as well.

So I guess it means that I may not punish the coach for doing it, but I certainly think less of them and their lazy vocabulary.

+1

...and I gotta tell ya Rich...if a coach uses profanity DIRECTED AT ME...then I deal with it in a much different manner than the coach cursing around the kids.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by richmsn

personally, i think it belittles any adult to use that language around kids. I can get through the toughest of games on the court without using profanity, so the coaches should be able to, as well.

So i guess it means that i may not punish the coach for doing it, but i certainly think less of them and their lazy vocabulary.

+1

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

You are preaching to the Chior Woddy...and if this idiot thought he could find forgiveness in this Church...he came into the wrong sanctuary.

If I was Judtech...I would change my name and start all over again. I, for one, will always see this jerk as a classless, loudmouth, ASSISTANT COACH...that EVEN tried to justify his actions to a REAL group of officials.

Didn't John Wooden say:

"Your REPUTATION is how others PERCEIVE you...your CHARACTER is what you REALLY are."

P.S. Did this guy's wife really use Profanity as the Coach of a bunch of girls? What great role models these two are.

Your quote is spot on. Your PS is a tad off. (Dont take this as accusatory, these are just 'big picture" questions intended to make people think. I use the word "you" in its plural sense):
How do you judge ones character? Would anyone like to have their character called into question b/c of one incident/mistake? People are far to eager to rush to judgement, make personal attacks and impune character of people they either don't know or limited if any information about. To use your words. You call me a jerk and classless loudmouth assistant coach. How do you know that? Of the 150+ games my wife and I have coached together, do you know how many incidents like this I have had? That answer would be a better judge of character then this one thread. Do you know how my association feels about my bench behavior? Have you seen my interaction with other officials at games
I coach or not? What disqualifies me as a "Real" official in your mind? These admitted inappropriate actions? Or do you know my body of work with which to make this decision?
You make a point about my wifes use of language. Do you know how often she swears? (at me doesn't count, b/c sometimes it is too cold to take out the garbage) Yet you write her off as a bad role model for female athletes. Do you do the same for Pat Summit C Vivian Stringer Geno or Tara Van DeVeer? Do you know her background? Do you know the types of players that we work with?

Maybe I just live in Mambi Pambi land, but I don't pass character judgement on anyone on this board (even Jurassic) b/c I don't know you personaly. I look at the mistakes people bring to this board as just that, mistakes, not windows into their soul and character. Do we judge all peoples character by actions they wish they hand't commited?

[APG]

Jud, I don't really get the point of this thread.

You come to an officiating forum and post the actions of the coach we all hate and loathe. And better yet we find out that YOU did all this...someone who calls himself an official. And to top it all off, it also sounds like you've tried to justify some of your actions, even if you've admitted you were somewhat wrong.

You obviously know that you would receive almost zero support for what you did and get just about universally ripped.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Judtech

What disqualifies me as a "Real" official in your mind? These admitted inappropriate actions?

Do you know what you've learned from this so far, Judtech? You've learned not to tell officials when you pull unsporting crap like that. From the excuses that you still insist on making, what you haven't learned yet though is to never pull unsporting crap like that. Oh, you'll still do it in the future. I've got no doubts about that. You just won't post about it here.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Jud, I don't really get the point of this thread.

You come to an officiating forum and post the actions of the coach we all hate and loathe. And better yet we find out that YOU did all this...someone who calls himself an official. And to top it all off, it also sounds like you've tried to justify some of your actions, even if you've admitted you were somewhat wrong.

You obviously know that you would receive almost zero support for what you did and get just about universally ripped.

Then let me clarify: My actions were wrong, not somewhat wrong. If you read into it that I was trying to justify those actions then it is only due to my poor typing/communication skill.
Why did I post it? Share experiences. I have no issue in admitting when I did something wrong. Believe it or not this is out of 'character" for me and I usually try to go the extra mile when on the bench. I obviously failed in this attempt and have actually gotten a few good ideas to put into my quiver in the future, both here on the board and some rather nice Private Messages and I am grateful for them and open for any more!
Learning by shared experience, what message boards were made for!

[Adam]

Personally, I think we've been a little harsh on Judd, but that's just my opinion.

I'll add that it's a good thing I'm not coaching, because knowing myself as well as I do, I wouldn't react well to officials who don't know some very basic rules (like the fact that touching a rolling basketball does not equate to player control, thus traveling is impossible.) I would not respond well to an official telling my players they had to be behind the division line for technical foul free throws.

I'm more inclined to judge people based on what I know and how I've been trained, and that means I'm going to be more inclined to judge an official's rules knowledge than I am a coach's behavior.

And I'm certainly not going to judge a man's character based on a post he made while the adrenaline was still flowing from an incident like this. I don't recall him ever coming on here before and talking about having behaved like this, so it does seem to be an isolated incident. Y'all do whatever, though; it's a free country.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Can someone have more than one screen name?

Multiple e-mail accounts

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

I just think it is bushleague to use profanity when coaching KIDS (girls or boys). If a Father or Mother wants to use a few choice words, in private, so be it...but, to be in a position of authority, in public, and in front of kids that their parents may not want such language used...shows a lack of respect for everyone around. JMHO.

You definitely wouldn't enjoy officiating football.