Ejection ...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by tref

1) Exactly! That is why it makes sense to ASK the question:

Official: "Is the sub for 11, he has 5, COACH."
Coach: "Yes" or "No"

2)I see some officials understood exactly what I meant, but hey, big picture officiating aint for everybody!

1) Sooooo, I take it it that you don't agree with the dildo that said "There is no reason to let the coach know it's the fifth."? Correct?

2)
Just

[tref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

1) Sooooo, I take it it that you don't agree with the dildo that said "There is no reason to let the coach know it's the fifth."? Correct?

2)
Just

Dildo? That's funny! Is it P/C? No, but funny nonetheless especially since I get a lot of what the dildos get. You must be at the "edible-only" stages in your life.

Actually JR, if you read this in its entirety you will see what I truly said in post #47 on Friday:

3. Im AT the table & see a sub there... no reason to let the coach know its the 5th. Thats why the sub is there!! Asking if the sub is for the player w/ 5 makes more sense to me.

Again, letting COACH know vs. asking COACH. Either way, we have completed our responsibilities by notifying the coach.

Lets turn the page...

[Adam]

If one were to try to ascertain your opinion based on this post, tref, he would be left believing you don't think there's a need to talk to the coach; as you could simply ask the sub whom he is replacing.
Now, reading all your posts in this thread, it's obvious that you simply misspoke in that particular post.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by tref

Again, letting COACH know vs. asking COACH. Either way, we have completed our responsibilities by notifying the coach.

Again, if you are afraid of possible inappropriate interaction from the coach, why are you asking him a question, which implies and requires a response, rather than simply informing/telling the coach?

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If one were to try to ascertain your opinion based on this post, tref, he would be left believing you don't think there's a need to talk to the coach; as you could simply ask the sub whom he is replacing.
Now, reading all your posts in this thread, it's obvious that you simply misspoke in that particular post.

Yeah, you are right Snaqs! I misspoke & boy did they ever run with it. I will make it a point to say exactly what I mean in the future, the elderly seem to get lost quick.

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Again, 1. if you are afraid of possible inappropriate interaction from the coach, 2. why are you asking him a question, which implies and requires a response, rather than simply informing/telling the coach?

1. If a official is afraid, he/she needs to retire. My swag suggest to all involved in a contest that I am running the contest & there is nothing that can happen that I cant handle.

2. The way I ask it, along with my body language gives me the results I'm looking for 95% of the time. A one word answer from coach... "yes" or "no".
Informing him (with a player already at the table) got me what Billy got once before. I learned from it & choose not to go that route again.

What works for you is great & what works for me is great, because it works for US individually!

Whats the big deal?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by tref

Yeah, you are right Snaqs! I misspoke & boy did they ever run with it. I will make it a point to say exactly what I mean in the future, the elderly seem to get lost quick.

Gee, the "elderly" took what you said literally and believed you. Bad "elderly"! Bad, bad "elderly"!!

The "elderly" won't make the same mistake again of believing what you say in the future. We just won't take seriously anything much that you say.

Nothing really changes, eh Ch!town? You haven't changed one bit, even with your new name. Same old, same old......

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Except for Rock, I have worked many games with him and at the start of every game he hands a resume to each coach. Before you know it the game is over and the coaches have just finished reading.

Smart-a$$.

Wouldn't that be interesting with a few of them, tho???

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Because the dq'ed player is the one who has to leave. The official is required to notify the coach of the disqualification. The coach is required to replace the disqualified player. Is anything else required? If, upon notification, a sub is already standing ready to enter, it seems like a situation that will work itself out from there. Asking
"Is he for the dq'ed player?" seems likely to provoke a hostile or sarcastic response.

"Who the hell else would he be for?!"

Good point... because none of us has EVER seen multiple substitutions at the same time...

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by tref

Exactly! That is why it makes sense to ASK the question:

Official: "Is the sub for 11, he has 5, COACH."
Coach: "Yes" or "No"

As opposed to TELLING the coach something he most likely ALREADY knows (if you work higher level games)

I've read all this drivel waiting for someone to point out the obvious, but no one did.

So ... you have 11 come in for 5, and 2 minutes later he tries to insert 5 again. You tell him 5 has fouled out and he says, "You never told me he had five!" Not telling the coach, in the manner you are supposed to tell him, is ASKING, if not BEGGING for trouble.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by tref

Well, thanks for your approval sir! I feel so much better now that you've checked off on what works for me. ROTFLMAO

In my experience, people that type their own joke and ROTF or LOL are the same guy as the annoying guffawing buffoon making everyone else uncomfortable or annoyed at the family picnics and post-season parties.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by tref

Yeah, you are right Snaqs! I misspoke & boy did they ever run with it. I will make it a point to say exactly what I mean in the future, the elderly seem to get lost quick.

Seems like you don't have any problem calling names, do you? So, how old is "elderly", and how old am I?

Originally Posted by tref

The way I ask it, along with my body language gives me the results I'm looking for 95% of the time.

So, what happens that other 5%? What if I told you my method works 99.8% of the time? Would you be willing to switch to my way of thinking? I can run a stop sign and 95% of the time, nothing bad will happen. Does that make it right?

Originally Posted by tref

Informing him (with a player already at the table) got me what Billy got once before. I learned from it & choose not to go that route again.

So, you did it the right way, and the coach made a smart-a$$ comment? So what? I thought with your swag and body language that wouldn't happen? But, since it did, did you take care of business? Or, are you saying that coach that day forced you to do things differently from that point on? How strong of an official are you the a coach's incorrect actions forced you to do things incorrectly from that point on?

You keep mentioning things like your illuminating personality as your reasons for doing the things you do, while some of us "elderly folks" keep mentioning things like rules and mechanics. Kind of like them pesky traffic rules, right? As long as the other folks at the stop sign see the swag, they'll know to keep out of our way, right?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I've read all this drivel waiting for someone to point out the obvious, but no one did.

So ... you have 11 come in for 5, and 2 minutes later he tries to insert 5 again. You tell him 5 has fouled out and he says, "You never told me he had five!" Not telling the coach, in the manner you are supposed to tell him, is ASKING, if not BEGGING for trouble.

Read his post again, just the part that you quoted. His question to the coach is followed immediately by "he has five". He is informing the coach.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The "elderly" won't make the same mistake again of believing what you say in the future. We just won't take seriously anything much that you say.

Nothing really changes, eh Ch!town? You haven't changed one bit, even with your new name. Same old, same old......

I care about YOU believing me like, NOT AT ALL.

Change? I've improved a lil' bit & I mentioned the name change before, so dont try to paint it like I got ran & tried to come in fresh.

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

So ... you have 11 come in for 5, and 2 minutes later he tries to insert 5 again. You tell him 5 has fouled out and he says, "You never told me he had five!" Not telling the coach, in the manner you are supposed to tell him, is ASKING, if not BEGGING for trouble.

Reading is fundamental...
LMAO (cause you're funny) No pile ons over here, keep it movin!
TIP: Learn to read before you try to clown.

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Seems like you don't have any problem calling names, do you? So, how old is "elderly", and how old am I?

I do unto others as they have done unto me FIRST. Key word = FIRST
And, IDGAF

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

So, what happens that other 5%? What if I told you my method works 99.8% of the time?

I already said, what works for you is GREAT, because it works for YOU!

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

So, you did it the right way, and the coach made a smart-a$$ comment? So what? I thought with your swag and body language that wouldn't happen?

Disagree, I did it that way & it didn't work, so I tried another method & its been good to ME! Who are you to say whats right & wrong? The coach was notified that the player has 5, point blank, PERIOD!
My negative experience with "duh coach, #11 has 5 fouls" happened back in '07, I had no idea of what my court presence said back then. I started watching video in 08 & thats when I corrected some flaws & developed some swag.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Read his post again, just the part that you quoted. His question to the coach is followed immediately by "he has five". He is informing the coach.

Isn't it sad how a few have made an assumption about what tref meant and simply can not concede that their interpretation of his words was wrong. trefs post may very well have been a bit ambiguous but was made VERY clear a long time ago that the question being asked was not directed to the popcorn guy but to the coach. Once that clarification was made, the discusison was really over...yet some can't allow for for the possibility of themselves misreading his post.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Gee, the "elderly" took what you said literally and believed you. Bad "elderly"! Bad, bad "elderly"!!

There was absolutely nothing wrong with what he posted aside from it not spelling out who he was talking to. You simply assumed (incorrectly) who he was talking to.