Perkins Ejection

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I love how none of this report what the player said as he was walking away. It is very obvious and one can read his lips in the video highlight. He deserved the T. Still I would bet that the NBE OFFICE will rescind it and let him play anyway. They want a show more than they wish to support their officials. Very sad.

Just in case there is any question about my criticisms, let me say they are directed at those in the league office, not the on-court officials. The league directors are the problem.

Agreed, and it will only add fuel to the fire of opinion that NBA refs are incompetent. The league will be trading long term benefit for short term gain.

[JRutledge]

When did we get to the point that anything players say is OK?

If we have to live by the mantra of "You cannot quote silence," then why do players and coaches not adhere to the same issues? It sounds to me that no T would have been given if Perkins kept his mouth shut. Seems pretty simple if you ask me.

Peace

[tref]

I didn't like the T at all, Rush seemed to get personal about it. Looked like a "gotcha" call. Yeah, Perkins said it was a BS call, but he said it as he walked away. He never stared down Rush either. Did he flail his arms? Yes, but he did it as he walked away.
Its an emotional game, I bet Rush wishes he could have that one back.

"The league will support the T in the interest of having a Game 7 in Orlando" - Tim Donaghy

[Pantherdreams]

I do understand that in terms of what is often let slide in the NBA and even NCAA levels this tech may be percieved as soft.

As an official, parent and basketball fan I'm glad he called it. Sure he was walking away, but walk away and be frustrated with yourself and talk to your teammates about the next possesion. Don't walk away whining and bi&^%ing. If this was the standard for all tech's you'd see a lot less barking and whining to officials and more basketball players worrying about playing basketball in the league. IMO

I get that their millionaires, its suppose to be entertainment too, and its an emotional and physical game. I'm ok with all that stuff in the context of playing the game. The whistle is blown, you are no longer playing the game you are waiting for the game to resume. PLayers worry about playing the game, officials worry about calling it.

Also I'm not convinced it was a great inital foul call based on what I saw, but having watched NBA games on tv and in person everyone is making hard contact with everyone from 15 feet in on every possesion so what is and isn't a foul is pretty subjective. Get over it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tref

I didn't like the T at all, Rush seemed to get personal about it. Looked like a "gotcha" call. Yeah, Perkins said it was a BS call, but he said it as he walked away. He never stared down Rush either. Did he flail his arms? Yes, but he did it as he walked away.
Its an emotional game, I bet Rush wishes he could have that one back.

Let me get this straight. I can say anything to you as I am walking away and that is OK? Can you show me any rulebook that says "Walking away" exonerates a person from unsportsmanlike penalty?

Originally Posted by tref

"The league will support the T in the interest of having a Game 7 in Orlando" - Tim Donaghy

Didn't Dave Stern suspend an official for the entire playoffs for giving a T to Tim Duncan a couple of years ago? I guess that squashes that reasoning.

Peace

[tref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Let me get this straight. I can say anything to you as I am walking away and that is OK? Can you show me any rulebook that says "Walking away" exonerates a person from unsportsmanlike penalty?

Absolutely not! But Perkins saying "that was a BS call" on a pretty borderline call is one that I'll eat. IMO, his demostrative body language was more disrespectful than his verbal. I allow coaches & players a bit more pushback on questionable calls. Now if that was a clear cut, no-brainer then yeah, whack & toss.

You're right the rulebook doesn't mention walking away AT ALL.

The rulebook does not say anything about managing the game either

I'm sure you know all about; the game within the game, managing emotions, effective communication, situational refereeing (having a feel for the game) & the like.

Imagine this, Rush calls the foul then goes tableside T. After Perkins antics, he speaks with Rush on the first of two FTs. Rush tells him what he had & adds, if you stomp off like that again & I'll be forced to whack you & that will be a DQ. Dont put me in that predicament.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Didn't Dave Stern suspend an official for the entire playoffs for giving a T to Tim Duncan a couple of years ago? I guess that squashes that reasoning.

Peace

I believe it was Joey, but that was a totally different sitch.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tref

Absolutely not! But Perkins saying "that was a BS call" on a pretty borderline call is one that I'll eat. IMO, his demostrative body language was more disrespectful than his verbal. I allow coaches & players a bit more pushback on questionable calls. Now if that was a clear cut, no-brainer then yeah, whack & toss.

You're right the rulebook doesn't mention walking away AT ALL.

The rulebook does not say anything about managing the game either

First of all bad analogy if you want to convince me that this should not be called. You just proved my point and probably did not realize it. You are right the rulebook says nothing about managing the game. So his comments got him popped desirably so. Also this has nothing to do with managing the game. For one you do not know the other interaction that went on the game and Ed T. Rush had enough. That is his right to do so.

Here is what you need to do, stop listening to the media for your opinion. You did not talk to Rush or any of the other officials. You have no idea what was said or not said and why this was ultimately a T. This might have been the last straw. I know I have given Ts for things that were not just based on the immediate outburst. I have given Ts because this was a long line of things and my warnings were not adhered to. And this is this player's 7th T during playoffs, so he must know what to do to avoid getting a T.

Originally Posted by tref

I'm sure you know all about; the game within the game, managing emotions, effective communication, situational refereeing (having a feel for the game) & the like.

I do know what game management means to me. But that does not mean that players can do whatever they like just because of the situation. And if a player does not want to get a T, they can keep their mouths shut and act appropriately.

It does not work that way. And if you knew that, then you would know that there is likely more to this call than what happen when the T was called. I have watched games in person while watching people I know officiate. Seen things called like a T, then not know what was said or the entire story until I talk to them after the game. Then the entire story or at least their story is part of the story, not what I assumed I saw or heard in incident.

Originally Posted by tref

Imagine this, Rush calls the foul then goes tableside T. After Perkins antics, he speaks with Rush on the first of two FTs. Rush tells him what he had & adds, if you stomp off like that again & I'll be forced to whack you & that will be a DQ. Dont put me in that predicament.

That is interesting. Perkins got a T earlier right? Do you know what the officials talked about earlier in the game? I know when a player is a problem, my partners are informed and what was said. And that player is not going to get a free shot the next time. And in some cases we might go into the game that the jag offs are and have less rope with them, because their pattern of behavior is such that we are not going to allow them to act up all night. Neither you nor I know what was talked about in pre-game, but the league or even during the game. You must not know what those things mean if you think this was just a standalone T. Remember, this player has 7 Ts during this post season alone. Someone thinks he has a problem.

Originally Posted by tref

I believe it was Joey, but that was a totally different sitch.

Not really.

[tref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Also this has nothing to do with managing the game. For one you do not know the other interaction that went on the game and Eddie F. Rush had enough. That is his right to do so. .

Fixed that name for ya & so true!

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Here is what you need to do, stop listening to the media for your opinion..

Hey JRut, thats what I tell my wife when we're watching games!

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You did not talk to Rush or any of the other officials. You have no idea what was said or not said and why this was ultimately a T. This might have been the last straw. I know I have given Ts for things that were not just based on the immediate outburst. I have given Ts because this was a long line of things and my warnings were not adhered to. And this is this player's 7th T during playoffs, so he must know what to do to avoid getting a T.

True & great stuff! I understand.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And this is this player's 7th T during playoffs, so he must know what to do to avoid getting a T.

Or maybe not.....

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by tref

I allow coaches & players a bit more pushback on questionable calls. Now if that was a clear cut, no-brainer then yeah, whack & toss.

Really? You let coaches and players ***** more about a call you weren't sure of than a call that your were sure of? If you weren't sure, why'd you make the call in the first place? This sentiment is nonsense.

[tref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

"Walking away" doesn't make it all right to say whatever you want.

Point taken!

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Really? You let coaches and players ***** more about a call you weren't sure of than a call that your were sure of? If you weren't sure, why'd you make the call in the first place? This sentiment is nonsense.

Ummm excuse me, but questionable call & not being sure of a call are two totally different things. You're putting words in the my mouth.

1. When I said questionable, I was referring to the coaches/players/fanatics. Questionable to THEM.

2. I dont put air in it unless I'm sure.

Hope this gives you a better understanding of what "I" meant by questionable call.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by tref

Ummm excuse me, but questionable call & not being sure of a call are two totally different things. You're putting words in the my mouth.

My apologies... was not my intent.

Originally Posted by tref

1. When I said questionable, I was referring to the coaches/players/fanatics. Questionable to THEM.
Hope this gives you a better understanding of what "I" meant by questionable call.

Yes... and no offense but I believe your clarification is worse than the words I inadvertently put in your mouth. Are you (see... this is a question not a statement, to avoid putting words in your mouth) asserting that you give more leeway to coaches complaining when THEY think your call is questionable than when THEY don't? Well that doesn't make any sense at all. (And I'm wondering why coaches would complain about calls they didn't disagree with).

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by tref

Point taken!



Ummm excuse me, but questionable call & not being sure of a call are two totally different things. You're putting words in the my mouth.

1. When I said questionable, I was referring to the coaches/players/fanatics. Questionable to THEM.

2. I dont put air in it unless I'm sure.

Hope this gives you a better understanding of what "I" meant by questionable call.

There is also the no-call where something appeared to happen but you passed because you were unsure while they felt something should have been called. You've already half agreed with them by conciously deciding to pass because you didn't get a good look. I'm going to give a bit more latitude on such situations....becasue they just might be right.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

I didn't like the T at all, Rush seemed to get personal about it. Looked like a "gotcha" call. Yeah, Perkins said it was a BS call, but he said it as he walked away. He never stared down Rush either. Did he flail his arms? Yes, but he did it as he walked away.
Its an emotional game, I bet Rush wishes he could have that one back.

Does this apply in other facets of life:

• Employee/Boss
• Student/Teacher
• Child/Parent

Me: Son, clean up that room or you're not hanging out with your friends tonight.

Son (flailing arms and walking away): That's bullsh!t.

Me: Give me your keys, you're not going anywhere for the next week.

Son (through bloody lip ): But Dad, I was only talking to myself, why are you punishing me?

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Does this apply in other facets of life:

• Employee/Boss
• Student/Teacher
• Child/Parent

+1

I don't see how walking away is relevant when you're cursing out an official. I was always taught to never do that.