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Old Tue May 18, 2010, 02:52pm
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I'm glad you didn't point out the difference. "Whoever" was the subject of its clause, and thus correctly in the nominative case. "Whomever" would have been wrong.
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Hmm, that's not the way I learned it. "Whomever" should be the subject of a clause, while "whoever" is the subject of the verb.

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I'm with byron on this one. "Whoever" is the subject of the verb "authored". In fact, "Whoever" is also the subject of the verb "failed".
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Old Tue May 18, 2010, 03:09pm
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I'm with byron on this one. "Whoever" is the subject of the verb "authored".
Whomever brought this subject up should be shot. "Whomever brought this subject up" is the clause, and the clause is the subject of the verb. (Even though the word subject is used within the clause.)

I'm cleaning my shotgun now. Who (or is it whom?!?) wants the first shot?
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Old Tue May 18, 2010, 03:17pm
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Whomever (sic) brought this subject up should be shot. "Whomever brought this subject up" is the clause, and the clause is the subject of the verb. (Even though the word subject is used within the clause.)

I'm cleaning my shotgun now. Who (or is it whom?!?) wants the first shot?
Go to your link again, and read carefully.

You can shoot whoever is wrong. ("whoever" is the subject of the clause that serves as the object.)
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You can shoot whomever you find to be wrong. ("whomever" is the object of the clause that serves as the object.)
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Old Tue May 18, 2010, 03:26pm
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Go to your link again, and read carefully.

You can shoot whoever is wrong. ("whoever" is the subject of the clause that serves as the object.)
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You can shoot whomever you find to be wrong. ("whomever" is the object of the clause that serves as the object.)
Ok, I'm confused. Are you backing me up, or proving me wrong? In NV's statement, "...whoever authored it failed to appreciate the difference...", "whoever" is the object of the clause "whoever authored it", and thus should be "whomever", correct? The main verb of the sentence is "failed", while the clause is the subject.

Should we start an Annual Off-Topic English Thread?
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Old Tue May 18, 2010, 03:30pm
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Ok, I'm confused. Are you backing me up, or proving me wrong? In NV's statement, "...whoever authored it failed to appreciate the difference...", "whoever" is the object of the clause "whoever authored it", and thus should be "whomever", correct? The main verb of the sentence is "failed", while the clause is the subject.

Should we start an Annual Off-Topic English Thread?
Whoever is the subject, in that "whoever" is the person who did the action (both actions in this case.)
If "whoever" had been failed, as in, "you failed me, Bob," then "whomever" would have been an appropriate replacement for "me."

And no, my head hurts too bad for a Tuesday.
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And no, my head hurts too bad for a Tuesday.
Now mine does too.

But this allows me to complete the argument in my favor, and always makes me feel better:

Shut up.

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Well, as long as M&M feels better....
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Whoever the hell cares?

Whomever the hell cares?

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SHUT UP!!!

To whomever that applies.
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SHUT UP!!!

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Who the hell are you?

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The bell tolls for whomever, that's whom.

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Thanks for everybody's input. I believe that the best citation was *3.2.2 SITUATION C. Since Black 53 was not a player, but was bench personnel, at the time the scorekeeper called our attention to the problem, then there should have been no technical foul charged. I guess that the fact that the ball hadn't become live yet had no impact on the infraction.

I guess we screwed up. We charged the Black team with a technical foul, the White player missed both free throws, and we gave the ball to the White team at the division line, opposite the table.

Next time, we'll get it right.
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