Neat InBound Play

[Clark Kent]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

O.7 seconds left, Louisville has just scored and SH inbounding. Player in bounding takes one step and puts foot onto court. Then he tosses ball back to Referee Tony Greene who returns a sharp pass back to him and then inbounder passes onto court.

If someone can post a clip it would be helpful.

Certainly not as clear as watching it on ESPN360 but here is what it looked like for those who don't get ESPN360 or have it Tivo-ed

YouTube - Seaton Hall Louisville Inbound Play 2010

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SmA4ejZjrg

[APG]

Is it just me, or did it sound like a whistle was blown after the made basket? You can see all the players stop play as if one was blown. That's the only way I can see why the violation wasn't called.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Is it just me, or did it sound like a whistle was blown after the made basket? You can see all the players stop play as if one was blown. That's the only way I can see why the violation wasn't called.

That's what it looked/sounded like to me. Strange.

[Clark Kent]

It appears as if Tony Greene gets to two on his five second inbound count.....but there is no doubt the players stopped. Gray 10 is the only one that moves.

[KJUmp]

Is there anything in NCAA rules/casebook or mechanics that could possibly make what we all saw not a violation?
NCAA guys......your thoughts.
Man, that was strange.....

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

Is there anything in NCAA rules/casebook or mechanics that could possibly make what we all saw not a violation?
NCAA guys......your thoughts.
Man, that was strange.....

Not an NCAA guy, but the only thing I can figure is that, while none of the officials seemed to have blown the whistle, Greene figured out that everyone stopped and the confusion caused the issue.

Very strange play.

[Clark Kent]

The ball went through the net around 1.2 or 1.1, but it ran down to .7 before stopping. Perhaps one of the other officials blew to check the clock and see if they should add some time and thus the players stopped. However even then it wouldn't make sense as to why the would have inbounded the ball after the alleged violation.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

Louisville @ Seton Hall tonight. In final seconds of close game, defense challenging, player inbounding takes step across line and then throws ball to referee. Referee throws back to inbounder who makes nice pass to beat the pressure.

I hope a lot of coaches were watching because thats a great play, sort of a 6 on 5.

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Is it just me, or did it sound like a whistle was blown after the made basket? You can see all the players stop play as if one was blown. That's the only way I can see why the violation wasn't called.

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Certainly not as clear as watching it on ESPN360 but here is what it looked like for those who don't get ESPN360 or have it Tivo-ed

YouTube - Seaton Hall Louisville Inbound Play 2010

or

YouTube - Seaton Hall Louisville.avi

For those who haven't seen this, you absolutely must have a look.
It says SETON HALL PIRATES across the end line from opposite table to the the tableside with the "ALL P" within the FT lane lines extended.

My observations:
1. There is definitely a whistle following the made 3pt goal by LV. I managed to pause the video at 1.1 after the ball passed through, but the clock runs down to 0.7.
2. All of the players stop due to that sound.
3. The inbounder is on the opposite side of the basket from the new Trail who is tableside. He collects the ball steps OOB with both feet and then carries the ball onto the court by stepping back inbounds with both feet as he seems to be confused. He is about to toss the ball to the covering official, Tony Greene, but then one of his teammate calls for it and the other players start to play. The inbounder is standing with both feet inbounds and turns and looks to make the throw-in pass from that location to his teammate. During this action Greene has counted to two.
4. Tony Greene now steps forward and whistles. The play is clearly dead at this point. He motions the player back behind the line. The player tosses him the ball, and then he throws it back to him and starts the five second count.
5. Rick Pitino, the LV coach, runs down the sideline to argue for a throw-in violation.
6. The Seton Hall player attempts a throw-in pass from between the N and H in SETON HALL, which the LV defender blocks by CLEARLY reaching across the boundary plane and deflecting the ball just after it comes out of the thrower's hands and the ball bounces OOB twice and Greene catches it. The first bounce of the ball seems to be on the P in PIRATES on the tableside part of the end line, which means the ball was in the air for the length of the FT lane. No time comes off the clock during this action!
7. Greene does not penalize the LV player for his infraction. It should be a technical foul, class B.
8. Greene walks Pitino back to his bench and then administers Seton Hall another throw-in.
9. Greene is not precise with where he administers this designated-spot throw-in. The first look that we have is the thrower on the opposite side of the basket from before and on the A in PIRATES. The thrower moves along the end line, more than 3ft in my opinion, and throws the ball in while straddling the I. No violation is called.
10. Seton Hall catches it and is fouled with 0.2 seconds remaining.

What a mess.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

6. The Seton Hall player attempts a throw-in pass from between the N and H in SETON HALL, which the LV defender blocks by CLEARLY reaching across the boundary plane and deflecting the ball just after it comes out of the thrower's hands and the ball bounces OOB twice and Greene catches it. The first bounce of the ball seems to be on the P in PIRATES on the tableside part of the end line, which means the ball was in the air for the length of the FT lane. No time comes off the clock during this action!
7. Greene does not penalize the LV player for his infraction. It should be a technical foul, class B.

Is the NCAA rule on boundary planes different than the NFHS?

If not, the deflection of the ball after it was released would be legal, would it not? Likely he had to reach across the plane of the boundary before the ball was released which should have resulted in a DOG warning?

Everything else I agree on. This was a mess.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Is the NCAA rule on boundary planes different than the NFHS?

Yes.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Is the NCAA rule on boundary planes different than the NFHS?

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes.

The rule is different as bob notes. I have posted on this several times in the past. Under NFHS rules the defender may break the boundary plane as soon as the throw-in pass is released, but at the NCAA level he must wait until the ball breaks the boundary plane.

[VolDoug]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The rule is different as bob notes. I have posted on this several times in the past. Under NFHS rules the defender may break the boundary plane as soon as the throw-in pass is released, but at the NCAA level he must wait until the ball breaks the boundary plane.

So under NFHS rules, if a team was using the play where the throw-in player passes to a team mate who is also OOB to make the throw-in, it would be legal for a defender to intercept that pass and toss it back onto the court?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by VolDoug

So under NFHS rules, if a team was using the play where the throw-in player passes to a team mate who is also OOB to make the throw-in, it would be legal for a defender to intercept that pass and toss it back onto the court?

Nevada said it's legal to reach across when "the throw-in pass is released." In your play, would you say that has happened?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by VolDoug

So under NFHS rules, if a team was using the play where the throw-in player passes to a team mate who is also OOB to make the throw-in, it would be legal for a defender to intercept that pass and toss it back onto the court?

As others have already told you a pass behind the end line to an OOB teammate is not a throw-in pass. The throw-in pass is the one which goes into the inbounds area of the court. So what you ask would be illegal even under NFHS rules.

10.3.10 SITUATION B: After a field goal, the score is A-55, B-54. A1 has the
ball out of bounds for a throw-in with two seconds remaining in the game. A1
throws the ball toward A2 who also is out of bounds along the end line. B2 reaches
across the end line and grabs or slaps the ball while it is in flight. Time expires
close to the moment the official indicates the infraction. RULING: A technical foul
is charged against B2. The remaining time or whether Team B had been previously
warned for a delay-of-game situation is not a factor. No free throws are
awarded as the winner of the game has been determined. (9-2-10 Penalty 3, 4)