Funny Vid / Palming-Carrying?

[Adam]

You need to determine whether the ball came to rest in his hand (that's what ends a dribble). If it did, you can call palming or traveling or illegal dribble. If not (and that's the general opinion here), it's play on. You might want to give the former defender time to find his shoes, though.

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You need to determine whether the ball came to rest in his hand (that's what ends a dribble). If it did, you can call palming or traveling or illegal dribble. If not (and that's the general opinion here), it's play on. You might want to give the former defender time to find his shoes, though.

I guess I'm in the minority then because I do think the ball comes to rest in his hand. I would call traveling here.

[mathuc]

Just because the ball comes up high does not mean a palm or carry. For a carry the ball has to come to rest in your hand - there is no height restriction on how high you can bounce a ball. players can still be dribbling the ball with it bouncing up as high as they can reach upwards, as long as the player does not let it come to rest in his hands. Also, as mentioned earlier there is no restriction of how many steps you can and cannot take while dribbling.

I would venture to say that you're in the minority because you are not calling it by the rulebook...

[Adam]

The upward force of the ball (due to the hard dribble preceding it) makes it appear as if the ball has come to rest in his hand, but it's not the case, IMO.
It's just a high dribble, perfectly legal in spite of what you hear from the fans.

[BBall_Junkie]

Originally Posted by bas2456

I guess I'm in the minority then because I do think the ball comes to rest in his hand. I would call traveling here.

Explain to me how a ball can come to rest in a hand when the hand is not under the ball....

Call a travel here, be prepared to call a Tech on the coach and be prepared to discuss this with your partners who have to be on the floor with you.

Just because plays look odd/strange/etc does not make them illegal.

[mathuc]

Originally Posted by BBall_Junkie

Explain to me how a ball can come to rest in a hand when the hand is not under the ball....

Call a travel here, be prepared to call a Tech on the coach and be prepared to discuss this with your partners who have to be on the floor with you.

Just because plays look odd/strange/etc does not make them illegal.

Being 6'6" and having a huge hand...uhh, that would be palming the ball (i.e. using the upward force of the ball from the dribble to palm/grab the ball and control it) Get the idea? so, I can take a ball, dribble it and catch it in one hand without putting my hand underneath it... then I can move it laterally/horizontally as I wish... That would be a carry or end of dribble without putting my hand under the ball, as the ball has come to rest in my hand

[Back In The Saddle]

I'm not sure what you're saying here. If your hand is large enough that you can grip the ball from above, and you do so, that is illegal. But merely using the upward force of the ball pressing against the hand to control it, not illegal.

[mathuc]

I edited and added clarity... I agree with you to a point. gripping the ball from the top while dribbling would be illegal IF you resumed dribbling. Simply performing that action to stop your dribble is not illegal (but I think you meant that, so we're on the same page)

[representing]

fundamental of physics. Everything comes to a rest for a very very short time when changing directions 180 degrees. So you are correct to say the ball does stop and come to a rest, but it is for a very short time (hundredths of a second maybe). Not enough to call traveling, palming, etc.

[BBall_Junkie]

Originally Posted by mathuc

Being 6'6" and having a huge hand...uhh, that would be palming the ball (i.e. using the upward force of the ball from the dribble to palm/grab the ball and control it) Get the idea? so, I can take a ball, dribble it and catch it in one hand without putting my hand underneath it... then I can move it laterally/horizontally as I wish... That would be a carry or end of dribble without putting my hand under the ball, as the ball has come to rest in my hand

good point... i was using the video of as an example and that kid is not "palming" the ball but point taken.

My original point still stands though... just cuz it looks odd does not make it illegal... the move in the video is legal and is not a violation.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bas2456

I guess I'm in the minority then because I do think the ball comes to rest in his hand. I would call traveling here.

You cannot call a travel when a player is dribbling. That is impossible under the rules. If you said it was a carry/palming, I could at least go there with you on some level because that is a judgment issue. Just understand that you will be judged by your judgment to make these calls. It is much worse to call something that is not supported by rule at all.

And you do not have brand new officials saying this to you. Take me out of this, these are pretty veteran and experienced officials saying you are not using the proper rules on this.

Peace

[Jeremy Hohn]

And who said Dan Cortese from MTV fame didn't have a career after his 15 min of fame?


On the vid, gotta leave it alone by rule fellas....UGLY but NO violation.

[amusedofficial]

being of the opinion that the palm/carry is ignored far too often, I was fully prepared to find a violation here and I did not.

In the real world, he's not gonna be able to dribble the ball that high in traffic. To make the direction changes made here during what we used to call a "city dribble" would probably result in a carry. But he didn't do it here.

Them there chairs played lousy defense and I'm not giving them the ball.

[Nevadaref]

4.15.4 SITUATION B: A1, while advancing the ball by dribbling, manages to
keep a hand in contact with the ball until it reaches its maximum height. A1 maintains
such contact as the ball descends, pushing it to the floor at the last moment;
however, after six or seven bounces, A1’s hand is in contact with the ball and the
palm of the hand on this particular dribble is skyward so that the ball is resting
on top of the hand. RULING: The dribble has ended and a violation occurs if A1
dribbles again. The dribble ended when the ball came to rest in the palm of A1’s
hand. (9-5)