Funny Vid / Palming-Carrying?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by sseltser

Besides the fantastic sound effects and expert instruction, are you of the opinion that the moves he performs with the 2 chairs is a palming violation?

On a serious note, I do not see a palming violation. The hand is on top and high, but that is not what I would classify as a violation. Oh well.

Peace

[sseltser]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

On a serious note, I do not see a palming violation. The hand is on top and high, but that is not what I would classify as a violation. Oh well.

Peace

Thanks, that's kind of what I was thinking, but the ball does seem to come to rest, in a strange way, with his hand somewhat at the side of the ball. It just looked so awkward (which doesn't mean it's illegal) that I thought I'd see other opinions.

[BBall_Junkie]

What Rut said.

[bas2456]

Never mind the palming. Wouldn't this be a travel?. He takes several steps after crossing over before dribbling again

[BBall_Junkie]

Originally Posted by bas2456

Never mind the palming. Wouldn't this be a travel?. He takes several steps after crossing over before dribbling again

Fundamental of basketball... you can NOT travel while dribbling.

[JRutledge]

What BBall_Junkie said.

Peace

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What BBall_Junkie said.

Peace

True, however you could make the argument that the dribble ended, then he took steps, therefore making it a travel.

No way I'm allowing that play in one of my games. Have to imagine that some sort of unfair advantage would be gained there.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bas2456

True, however you could make the argument that the dribble ended, then he took steps, therefore making it a travel.

No way I'm allowing that play in one of my games. Have to imagine that some sort of unfair advantage would be gained there.

You'll need to review the rules about what ends a dribble. Hint, the number of steps taken between dribbles isn't part of the equation; otherwise you'd need to call a travel on most fast breaks.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bas2456

True, however you could make the argument that the dribble ended, then he took steps, therefore making it a travel.

No way I'm allowing that play in one of my games. Have to imagine that some sort of unfair advantage would be gained there.

There is nothing unfair unless the rules are violated. My point is that it does not look like the dribble ends. You cannot call it a violation if nothing illegal is done. It is only a violation if the ball comes to rest in the hand of the dribbler and it does not look like that is at all possible with the hand on top of the ball. And like others have said, you need to review the rules on this one. You seem to be saying it is illegal simply because you do not like the action. That is not why we call violations or fouls. We have to have some rules basis for those calls. And this looks very suspect to call a violation. And if you nitpick it too, you better call every little "looks funny" action or dribble.

Peace

[Adam]

You need to determine whether the ball came to rest in his hand (that's what ends a dribble). If it did, you can call palming or traveling or illegal dribble. If not (and that's the general opinion here), it's play on. You might want to give the former defender time to find his shoes, though.

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You need to determine whether the ball came to rest in his hand (that's what ends a dribble). If it did, you can call palming or traveling or illegal dribble. If not (and that's the general opinion here), it's play on. You might want to give the former defender time to find his shoes, though.

I guess I'm in the minority then because I do think the ball comes to rest in his hand. I would call traveling here.

[mathuc]

Just because the ball comes up high does not mean a palm or carry. For a carry the ball has to come to rest in your hand - there is no height restriction on how high you can bounce a ball. players can still be dribbling the ball with it bouncing up as high as they can reach upwards, as long as the player does not let it come to rest in his hands. Also, as mentioned earlier there is no restriction of how many steps you can and cannot take while dribbling.

I would venture to say that you're in the minority because you are not calling it by the rulebook...

[Adam]

The upward force of the ball (due to the hard dribble preceding it) makes it appear as if the ball has come to rest in his hand, but it's not the case, IMO.
It's just a high dribble, perfectly legal in spite of what you hear from the fans.

[BBall_Junkie]

Originally Posted by bas2456

I guess I'm in the minority then because I do think the ball comes to rest in his hand. I would call traveling here.

Explain to me how a ball can come to rest in a hand when the hand is not under the ball....

Call a travel here, be prepared to call a Tech on the coach and be prepared to discuss this with your partners who have to be on the floor with you.

Just because plays look odd/strange/etc does not make them illegal.

[mathuc]

Originally Posted by BBall_Junkie

Explain to me how a ball can come to rest in a hand when the hand is not under the ball....

Call a travel here, be prepared to call a Tech on the coach and be prepared to discuss this with your partners who have to be on the floor with you.

Just because plays look odd/strange/etc does not make them illegal.

Being 6'6" and having a huge hand...uhh, that would be palming the ball (i.e. using the upward force of the ball from the dribble to palm/grab the ball and control it) Get the idea? so, I can take a ball, dribble it and catch it in one hand without putting my hand underneath it... then I can move it laterally/horizontally as I wish... That would be a carry or end of dribble without putting my hand under the ball, as the ball has come to rest in my hand