Illegal dribble interpretation

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by just another ref

On a foul advantage/disadvantage is a consideration. On a violation it is not.

He's not saying to judge violations by A/D. He's saying that just like when judging a foul you sometimes have to wait to see if the contact you observed is actually a foul, in this case you sometimes need to wait to see if the batting or pushing of the ball to the floor turns out to actually be a dribble. He's using a comparison to make a point.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

He's not saying to judge violations by A/D. He's saying that just like when judging a foul you sometimes have to wait to see if the contact you observed is actually a foul, in this case you sometimes need to wait to see if the batting or pushing of the ball to the floor turns out to actually be a dribble. He's using a comparison to make a point.

And I'm saying that a violation is much more cut and dried than a foul. The overriding problem is the use of the terms always and never. It is undeniable that sometimes another touch is needed by A1 to make a dribble. But it is my contention that the vast majority of the time, when a player is starting a dribble, his intention to do so is obvious. When this happens, by definition, a dribble, and thus, a violation, occurs when the ball hits the floor.