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Originally Posted by mbyron
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
When does the violation occur? As soon has "he puts the ball down."
When can an official know that the violation has occurred? As soon as the player touches the ball again.
Two separate issues, with two distinct answers. (For the cognoscenti, it's the same difference between metaphysics and epistemology.)
A very rough parallel would be a borderline foul. When does the foul occur? At the moment of contact. When do we know that marginal contact is a foul? When we see the contact put the other team at a disadvantage.
On the other hand, you're all correct in a way, so my answer's bound to make you unhappy.  |
From the NCAA rulebook:
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Rule 4 - Section 21. Dribble
Art. 1. A dribble is ball movement caused by a player in control who bats, pushes or taps the ball to the playing court once or several times.
Art. 2. The dribble may be started by pushing, throwing, tapping or batting the ball to the playing court.
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Rule 9 - Section 7. Double Dribble
Art. 1. A player shall not dribble a second time after the player’s first dribble has ended,...
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From the FIBA rulebook:
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Art. 24 Dribbling
24.1 Definition
24.1.1 A dribble starts when a player, having gained control of a live ball on the playing court, throws, taps, rolls or dribbles it on the floor and touches it again before it touches another player.
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It seems that, for NCAA, the simple act of pushing the ball to the ground is the start of a dribble: the rules clearly say 'once' and don't talk about touching the ball again, but I believe that this is a somewhat forced interpretation. For FIBA it is clear that in order to have a dribble, the player has to touch the ball again after it has hit the ground.
What's the definition of dribble for NFHS?
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