Girls games

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

If I were generous, I'd say they are simply aware that they are better at officiating boys basketball. (I fall into this camp, in that I find myself much less sure of my calls during high level girls games).

I think we all know why these gentlemen don't want to work girls games. It's sad and shouldn't be allowed. Girls teams deserve the same quality of official, period. Of course, if these refs think that little of girls games, it's likely a net positive that they aren't on those games.

How are you going to make someone do something they do not want to do? We cannot make people travel for games. I work college ball, I am not giving up a college game for some girl's basketball and you could not make me without violating some basic laws. And then instead of losing an official for girls basketball, you lose and official period.

Peace

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

How are you going to make someone do something they do not want to do? We cannot make people travel for games. I work college ball, I am not giving up a college game for some girl's basketball and you could not make me without violating some basic laws. And then instead of losing an official for girls basketball, you lose and official period.

Peace

When it comes it comes to working extra nights, turning back higher level games, it's an entirely different issue than the one presented, at least as I read it.

Where I work, girls and boys do not have different assignors. And I've heard countless official complain about girls assignments vs boys or refer to them as "just" a girls game. FWIW, to work the postseason here in Colorado, you are required to work a certain number of both boys and girls games.

Obviously I'm not suggesting people be forced to work girls games if they are opposed. Just pointing out that in a lot of cases, the reasons for not wanting to work girls games is sexist and insulting. This isn't always the case, but it's a prevalent enough to discuss.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

When it comes it comes to working extra nights, turning back higher level games, it's an entirely different issue than the one presented, at least as I read it.

Where I work, girls and boys do not have different assignors. And I've heard countless official complain about girls assignments vs boys or refer to them as "just" a girls game. FWIW, to work the postseason here in Colorado, you are required to work a certain number of both boys and girls games.

Obviously I'm not suggesting people be forced to work girls games if they are opposed. Just pointing out that in a lot of cases, the reasons for not wanting to work girls games is sexist and insulting. This isn't always the case, but it's a prevalent enough to discuss.

OK, but that is where you work. Yes, we have some assignors that assign both, but that is not common. And if they tried to give a boy's official a girl's game, they would get some blowback. They would from me. And one reason I do not take girls games is because I do not want to constantly be turning back games. Or asking can I work another game, so why would I want to make myself available for that headache?

They even tried in our area to play back-to-back games with girls and boys and found out how much no one came to watch the girls games. They would literally play the girls games last and everyone would come for the boys game and leave when it was over. It was actually demoralizing, so they stopped doing that after a year or two. So if you cannot get fans to come and watch the games equally, how are you going to get officials who are largely male to do the same? And when you have female officials they move on to the college ranks because that level scoops them up.

Not trying to debate the overall gender preferences, just saying that if you "make" someone do something then they will find reasons not to do that. You cannot tell me when I am available for something or why I do something else. We are not paid enough to have that kind of information to some guy that is not paying a pension or health insurance.

Peace

[johnny d]

It is very simple for me. Compared to boy's/men's basketball, girl's/women's basketball sucks. I would not officiate a women's game if the pay was double what I could get for a men's game.

[SC Official]

At the high school level where I live, 95% of assignments are G/B doubleheaders. They play on the same nights and at the same location. Being a “boy’s only” official isn’t an option.

[thumpferee]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

Obviously I'm not suggesting people be forced to work girls games if they are opposed. Just pointing out that in a lot of cases, the reasons for not wanting to work girls games is sexist and insulting. This isn't always the case, but it's a prevalent enough to discuss.

I agree! Demanding to work boys/MENS games simply because you're a woman is sexist. But, what is insulting is, assignors still giving them games because they're afraid of being called a sexist

Question! What % of WNBA officials do you think would quit if they were given the opportunity to work in the NBA? Sexist?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

I agree! Demanding to work boys/MENS games simply because you're a woman is sexist. But, what is insulting is, assignors still giving them games because they're afraid of being called a sexist



Question! What % of WNBA officials do you think would quit if they were given the opportunity to work in the NBA? Sexist?

WNBA refs are part of the same program as NBA refs. It would be a promotion to go from the WNBA to the NBA. The veteran WNBA refs are past the point where they're being considered for the NBA. Younger WNBA refs are hoping to get to the NBA.

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