Whistle Dead Ball

[Rich1]

There are only two ways that the referee's whistle causes the ball to become dead. What are they?

I am posing this question to make sure the answer I have is correct and also to be certain there are not more than two ways. Your responses will help in the vetting process.

[Indianaref]

If the ball is live, an official's whistle always causes the ball to become dead unless there is a try/tap for field goal or free throw.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

If the ball is live, an official's whistle always causes the ball to become dead unless there is a try/tap for field goal or free throw.

If there is a violation or a foul, the ball is dead when those things take place most of the time, not when the whistle blows. This is a Basketball Fundamental.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Inadvertent whistle.

"Advertent" whistle for injury, to converse with scorers, court issue, spectator issue, etc.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If there is a violation or a foul, the ball is dead when those things take place most of the time, not when the whistle blows. This is a

Agree. Basketball Rule Fundamental #16.

The official’s whistle seldom causes the ball to become dead (it is already dead).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich1

There are only two ways that the referee's whistle causes the ball to become dead.

How about sounding one's whistle to grant a requested timeout during a live ball?

[Rich1]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

How about sounding one's whistle to grant a requested timeout during a live ball?

The ball is dead when you recognize the time out not when you blow the whistle. If a coach yells time out and you take a moment to verify its a legitimate request (head coach, correct team, player control) would you award a shot that was launched just before you blew the whistle?

[Rich1]

The two that I think apply here are an inadvertent whistle and an officials time out. Every other situation that I can think of falls the into the :already dead" category.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Rich1

The two that I think apply here are an inadvertent whistle and an officials time out. Every other situation that I can think of falls the into the :already dead" category.

Would an inadvertent whistle cause the ball to be dead if a try is in flight?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Would an inadvertent whistle cause the ball to be dead if a try is in flight?

If the ball went in the basket, I would count it, thus, not dead.

[Rich1]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Would an inadvertent whistle cause the ball to be dead if a try is in flight?

No it would not which is what makes this question so tough. So I guess I would have to alter my answer to "inadvertent whistle unless the ball is in flight"

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich1

The ball is dead when you recognize the time out not when you blow the whistle. If a coach yells time out and you take a moment to verify its a legitimate request (head coach, correct team, player control) would you award a shot that was launched just before you blew the whistle?

Great question Rich1.

In a real game, I (hopefully) wouldn't blow my whistle if the ball had been "released". I always look for the ball after I verify it's a legitimate request.

For a written test question, I'm on the fence, but I'm leaning toward grant, whistle, and dead ball, all occurring simultaneously.

I'm not going to die on this hill, but I would appreciate some further discussion.

[Rich1]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In a real game, I (hopefully) wouldn't blow my whistle if the ball had been "released". I always look for the ball after I verify it's a legitimate request.

I would not either if I could help it but I have had situations where a time out was clearly called by the coach of the team with the ball and as I am filling my lungs the shot is released. However, it was clear to both myself and the coach that the timeout came before the try started.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... grant, whistle, and dead ball, all occurring simultaneously.

... not the decision to grant, but the actual granting.

[Rich1]

Almost all of the time the whistle is simply notifying the players to stop playing because the ball is dead, it is not the whistle that makes creates the dead ball. When the violation occurs the ball (not in flight during a try) becomes dead. When the foul occurs the ball (not in flight during a try) becomes dead.

If for some reason your whistle falls out of your mouth or is broken creating a longer than usual delay before you blow the whistle, anything that occurred in the time it took between the violation, foul, time-out request, etc. and the sounding of said whistle would not be allowed to stand (ie. counting a basket after a dribbler steps out of bounds and then makes a basket before the whistle gets blown).

This is why I posed the question - if we accept that the ball is already dead in most instances, what would be the situations where it is the actual blowing of the whistle that causes the dead ball. Most of the time there is not much delay between the act and the whistle so its usually not an issue. But, I do enjoy thinking through these sort of queries to strengthen my knowledge.

And, 5-5-1 and 6-7-9 (and probably a few more) do not seem to match Fundamental #16.