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Old Tue Apr 12, 2022, 04:39am
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Whistle Dead Ball

There are only two ways that the referee's whistle causes the ball to become dead. What are they?

I am posing this question to make sure the answer I have is correct and also to be certain there are not more than two ways. Your responses will help in the vetting process.
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Old Tue Apr 12, 2022, 08:29am
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If the ball is live, an official's whistle always causes the ball to become dead unless there is a try/tap for field goal or free throw.
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Old Tue Apr 12, 2022, 09:24am
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If the ball is live, an official's whistle always causes the ball to become dead unless there is a try/tap for field goal or free throw.
If there is a violation or a foul, the ball is dead when those things take place most of the time, not when the whistle blows. This is a Basketball Fundamental.

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Old Tue Apr 12, 2022, 09:30am
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Inadvertent whistle.

"Advertent" whistle for injury, to converse with scorers, court issue, spectator issue, etc.
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Old Tue Apr 12, 2022, 10:57am
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If there is a violation or a foul, the ball is dead when those things take place most of the time, not when the whistle blows. This is a
Agree. Basketball Rule Fundamental #16.

The official’s whistle seldom causes the ball to become dead (it is already dead).
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Old Tue Apr 12, 2022, 10:59am
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Timeout ???

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There are only two ways that the referee's whistle causes the ball to become dead.
How about sounding one's whistle to grant a requested timeout during a live ball?
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Old Tue Apr 12, 2022, 01:06pm
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How about sounding one's whistle to grant a requested timeout during a live ball?
The ball is dead when you recognize the time out not when you blow the whistle. If a coach yells time out and you take a moment to verify its a legitimate request (head coach, correct team, player control) would you award a shot that was launched just before you blew the whistle?
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Old Tue Apr 12, 2022, 01:07pm
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My Answer...

The two that I think apply here are an inadvertent whistle and an officials time out. Every other situation that I can think of falls the into the :already dead" category.
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Old Tue Apr 12, 2022, 01:21pm
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Occurring Simultaneously ...

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The ball is dead when you recognize the time out not when you blow the whistle. If a coach yells time out and you take a moment to verify its a legitimate request (head coach, correct team, player control) would you award a shot that was launched just before you blew the whistle?
Great question Rich1.

In a real game, I (hopefully) wouldn't blow my whistle if the ball had been "released". I always look for the ball after I verify it's a legitimate request.

For a written test question, I'm on the fence, but I'm leaning toward grant, whistle, and dead ball, all occurring simultaneously.

I'm not going to die on this hill, but I would appreciate some further discussion.
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Old Tue Apr 12, 2022, 02:55pm
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The two that I think apply here are an inadvertent whistle and an officials time out. Every other situation that I can think of falls the into the :already dead" category.
Would an inadvertent whistle cause the ball to be dead if a try is in flight?
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Old Tue Apr 12, 2022, 05:51pm
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Would an inadvertent whistle cause the ball to be dead if a try is in flight?
If the ball went in the basket, I would count it, thus, not dead.
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Old Tue Apr 12, 2022, 06:16pm
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Would an inadvertent whistle cause the ball to be dead if a try is in flight?
No it would not which is what makes this question so tough. So I guess I would have to alter my answer to "inadvertent whistle unless the ball is in flight"
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Old Tue Apr 12, 2022, 06:20pm
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In a real game, I (hopefully) wouldn't blow my whistle if the ball had been "released". I always look for the ball after I verify it's a legitimate request.
I would not either if I could help it but I have had situations where a time out was clearly called by the coach of the team with the ball and as I am filling my lungs the shot is released. However, it was clear to both myself and the coach that the timeout came before the try started.
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Old Tue Apr 12, 2022, 08:53pm
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Rule 5-5

Art. 1. The ball shall become dead or remain dead when:

f. An official blows the whistle and signals when a foul is committed by a shooter’s teammate before the ball is released for a try for goal; and

g. An official blows the whistle when any floor violation (Rules 9-3 through 9-14) occurs, there is basket interference or goaltending (Rule 9-15) or there is a free-throw violation by the free-thrower’s team (Rule 9-1).


I knew the first one. I'm guessing everyone thinks the ball is already dead for the second

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Old Wed Apr 13, 2022, 06:41am
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The ball is dead when you recognize the time out not when you blow the whistle. If a coach yells time out and you take a moment to verify its a legitimate request (head coach, correct team, player control) would you award a shot that was launched just before you blew the whistle?
6-7 The ball becomes dead when: Art 5... An official's whistle is blown.

Nothing else in there I can see about TOs

If true, the ball becomes dead on the whistle -- not "when you recognize the TO" (with exceptions for try, etc)

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