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Rich1 Tue Apr 12, 2022 04:39am

Whistle Dead Ball
 
There are only two ways that the referee's whistle causes the ball to become dead. What are they?

I am posing this question to make sure the answer I have is correct and also to be certain there are not more than two ways. Your responses will help in the vetting process.

Indianaref Tue Apr 12, 2022 08:29am

If the ball is live, an official's whistle always causes the ball to become dead unless there is a try/tap for field goal or free throw.

JRutledge Tue Apr 12, 2022 09:24am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indianaref (Post 1047975)
If the ball is live, an official's whistle always causes the ball to become dead unless there is a try/tap for field goal or free throw.

If there is a violation or a foul, the ball is dead when those things take place most of the time, not when the whistle blows. This is a Basketball Fundamental.

Peace

bob jenkins Tue Apr 12, 2022 09:30am

Inadvertent whistle.

"Advertent" whistle for injury, to converse with scorers, court issue, spectator issue, etc.

BillyMac Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:57am

Dead Or Alive ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1047976)
If there is a violation or a foul, the ball is dead when those things take place most of the time, not when the whistle blows. This is a

Agree. Basketball Rule Fundamental #16.

The official’s whistle seldom causes the ball to become dead (it is already dead).

BillyMac Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:59am

Timeout ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich1 (Post 1047973)
There are only two ways that the referee's whistle causes the ball to become dead.

How about sounding one's whistle to grant a requested timeout during a live ball?

Rich1 Tue Apr 12, 2022 01:06pm

Already Dead
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1047979)
How about sounding one's whistle to grant a requested timeout during a live ball?

The ball is dead when you recognize the time out not when you blow the whistle. If a coach yells time out and you take a moment to verify its a legitimate request (head coach, correct team, player control) would you award a shot that was launched just before you blew the whistle?

Rich1 Tue Apr 12, 2022 01:07pm

My Answer...
 
The two that I think apply here are an inadvertent whistle and an officials time out. Every other situation that I can think of falls the into the :already dead" category.

BillyMac Tue Apr 12, 2022 01:21pm

Occurring Simultaneously ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich1 (Post 1047980)
The ball is dead when you recognize the time out not when you blow the whistle. If a coach yells time out and you take a moment to verify its a legitimate request (head coach, correct team, player control) would you award a shot that was launched just before you blew the whistle?

Great question Rich1.

In a real game, I (hopefully) wouldn't blow my whistle if the ball had been "released". I always look for the ball after I verify it's a legitimate request.

For a written test question, I'm on the fence, but I'm leaning toward grant, whistle, and dead ball, all occurring simultaneously.

I'm not going to die on this hill, but I would appreciate some further discussion.

Raymond Tue Apr 12, 2022 02:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich1 (Post 1047981)
The two that I think apply here are an inadvertent whistle and an officials time out. Every other situation that I can think of falls the into the :already dead" category.

Would an inadvertent whistle cause the ball to be dead if a try is in flight?

BillyMac Tue Apr 12, 2022 05:51pm

Count It ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1047983)
Would an inadvertent whistle cause the ball to be dead if a try is in flight?

If the ball went in the basket, I would count it, thus, not dead.

Rich1 Tue Apr 12, 2022 06:16pm

Hmmmm
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1047983)
Would an inadvertent whistle cause the ball to be dead if a try is in flight?

No it would not which is what makes this question so tough. So I guess I would have to alter my answer to "inadvertent whistle unless the ball is in flight"

Rich1 Tue Apr 12, 2022 06:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1047982)
In a real game, I (hopefully) wouldn't blow my whistle if the ball had been "released". I always look for the ball after I verify it's a legitimate request.

I would not either if I could help it but I have had situations where a time out was clearly called by the coach of the team with the ball and as I am filling my lungs the shot is released. However, it was clear to both myself and the coach that the timeout came before the try started.

Raymond Tue Apr 12, 2022 08:53pm

Rule 5-5

Art. 1. The ball shall become dead or remain dead when:

f. An official blows the whistle and signals when a foul is committed by a shooter’s teammate before the ball is released for a try for goal; and

g. An official blows the whistle when any floor violation (Rules 9-3 through 9-14) occurs, there is basket interference or goaltending (Rule 9-15) or there is a free-throw violation by the free-thrower’s team (Rule 9-1).


I knew the first one. I'm guessing everyone thinks the ball is already dead for the second

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bob jenkins Wed Apr 13, 2022 06:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich1 (Post 1047980)
The ball is dead when you recognize the time out not when you blow the whistle. If a coach yells time out and you take a moment to verify its a legitimate request (head coach, correct team, player control) would you award a shot that was launched just before you blew the whistle?

6-7 The ball becomes dead when: Art 5... An official's whistle is blown.

Nothing else in there I can see about TOs

If true, the ball becomes dead on the whistle -- not "when you recognize the TO" (with exceptions for try, etc)


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