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Old Mon Jan 10, 2022, 01:51pm
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My logic tells she didn't attempt to stand up because she purposely stopped at the point where she was on her knees, then she started a dribble before successfully standing up. My logic tells me if she were attempting to stand up, she wouldn't have started a new activity after being on her knees, she would have continued doing something that got her on her feet without dribbling the ball.

There is a difference between fact and opinion. The NFHS wording of this rule leads to different interpretations. That is easily remedied by adding a phrase to the rule itself ("acts including rising up on one's knees) or adding a case play that includes the specific act of rising to one's knees or publishing an official interpretation.

The entire travel rule is written to define what is legal and declares anything else as illegal. Since the case play that lists what a player on the ground may do and doesn't mention this as something that is legal, it is not legal. If a player were to rise to the feet, that wouldn't just be an attempt to stand up, it would actually be successfully standing up. If they only wanted a successful or complete attempt to stand to be a violation, it wouldn't say "attempt" in the rule.
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Old Mon Jan 10, 2022, 01:58pm
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The entire travel rule is written to define what is legal and declares anything else as illegal.
"The Camron Rust Adage" Ⓒ 2021 Camron Rust

Regarding traveling, if it's not legal, it's illegal.
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Old Mon Jan 10, 2022, 05:52pm
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"The Camron Rust Adage" Ⓒ 2021 Camron Rust ... Regarding traveling, if it's not legal, it's illegal.
And, of course, for almost all other interpretations, if it's not illegal, it's legal. No copyright, it's in the public domain.
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Old Fri Jan 21, 2022, 10:46pm
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Who woulda thunk?

BV game tonight!

28 yrs and never saw this play before this post. Never thought I'd ever see it again. Well, you know what they say about that.

As soon as he went to his knees from being prone on his stomache, TWEET!
Not a word! Well, besides, "great call".

If I knew how to post video, I would. Maybe a link if interested.
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Old Sat Jan 22, 2022, 08:05am
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Not a word! Well, besides, "great call".
At least one coach must have been pleased.

And there's always a possibility that you had your mom and dad, wife and kids, in the bleachers.
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Old Sat Jan 22, 2022, 10:19am
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At least one coach must have been pleased.

And there's always a possibility that you had your mom and dad, wife and kids, in the bleachers.
I think it was the NFHS Rules Editor!
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Old Mon Jan 10, 2022, 02:56pm
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The entire travel rule is written to define what is legal and declares anything else as illegal. Since the case play that lists what a player on the ground may do and doesn't mention this as something that is legal, it is not legal. If a player were to rise to the feet, that wouldn't just be an attempt to stand up, it would actually be successfully standing up. If they only wanted a successful or complete attempt to stand to be a violation, it wouldn't say "attempt" in the rule.
We have a case play that clearly says what they can do on their back. Well, there needs to be clarification as to what you can do on your stomach or on your side. If just getting to your knees from that position is illegal, why not say so? Problem solved. Then those that think this is illegal can move on with life. I am not calling a violation for someone to come to their knees. Just not and the rule does not make it clear that is a violation and never considered that all these years until this topic. So again, wording can be added to make this clear. And it appears again the people that actually write the rules feel the same. But we have wordsmiths out there that need every little "I" dotted and "T" crossed. I am not one of them, but putting in additional language might be helpful, even if you say this is illegal.

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Old Mon Jan 10, 2022, 05:50pm
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We have a case play that clearly says what they can do on their back. Well, there needs to be clarification as to what you can do on your stomach or on your side.
Great post. Agree 100%.

But, until the NFHS clarifies, I'm going with "The Camron Rust Adage" Ⓒ 2021 Camron Rust

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The entire travel rule is written to define what is legal and declares anything else as illegal.
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This play is traveling. This case plays details what the player may do. The case says they may sit up if they're on their back. It doesn't say they can rise to their knees if they're on their belly. If that were to be legal, it would be listed. Further, the travel rule is one that is based on listing what is legal and what is not specified as legal isn't.
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