Interesting play

[NTRef]

A1 shoots a three pointer and is fouled in the act of shooting (ball goes in). As the ball is released, A2 shoves B2 trying for position under the basket and is called for the foul. Simultaneous foul situation. How is it administered?

Originally Posted by NTRef

A1 shoots a three pointer and is fouled in the act of shooting (ball goes in). As the ball is released, A2 shoves B2 trying for position under the basket and is called for the foul. Simultaneous foul situation. How is it administered?

A1 shoots the "and 1" with lane cleared. B then gets the ball OOB nearest the foul location, or bonus is administered to B2.

Gets more tricky if the foul (and whistle) occurs before the release of the ball.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Gets more tricky if the foul (and whistle) occurs before the release of the ball.

Really, seems easier to me if it happens this way.

Originally Posted by johnny d

Really, seems easier to me if it happens this way.

Yeah you're right. It was more complicated in my mind.

A1 gets 3 shots lane cleared, POI is B OOB/bonus.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

A1 shoots the "and 1" with lane cleared. B then gets the ball OOB nearest the foul location, or bonus is administered to B2.

Gets more tricky if the foul (and whistle) occurs before the release of the ball.

Originally Posted by AremRed

Yeah you're right. It was more complicated in my mind.

A1 gets 3 shots lane cleared, POI is B OOB/bonus.

Or, if it's deemed that foul occurred first, B gets the ball OOB for the Team Control foul, and the foul by B1 on A1 is ignored unless flagrant or intentional.

Or, if it's deemed both fouls occurred at the same time, but before the release of the shot, then we go to POI, which gives A a throw-in nearest the aborted shot.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Or, if it's deemed that foul occurred first, B gets the ball OOB for the Team Control foul, and the foul by B1 on A1 is ignored unless flagrant or intentional.

Or, if it's deemed both fouls occurred at the same time, but before the release of the shot, then we go to POI, which gives A a throw-in nearest the aborted shot.

Right, it's all about the timing.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

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A1 gets 3 shots lane cleared, POI is B OOB/bonus.

This option is only available if

• B1 fouls A1 during the try and...
• A2 fouls B2 after the release and...
• the try does not go in

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This option is only available if

• B1 fouls A1 during the try and...
• A2 fouls B2 after the release and...
• the try does not go in

Not if B1 fouls A1 after the start of the shooting motion (1) and before A1's release (2) and the whistle for the foul on A2 occurs between 1 and 2.

[APG]

Originally Posted by NTRef

A1 shoots a three pointer and is fouled in the act of shooting (ball goes in). As the ball is released, A2 shoves B2 trying for position under the basket and is called for the foul. Simultaneous foul situation. How is it administered?

If you're trying to say it's a simultaneous foul...like a true, honest to god simultaneous foul, then you go to the POI. Which in your scenario would be to count the basket (if the ball was released before the fouls)...and go to an unrestricted throw-in for B on the end line

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Not if B1 fouls A1 after the start of the shooting motion (1) and before A1's release (2) and the whistle for the foul on A2 occurs between 1 and 2.

If there are simultaneous fouls before the ball is released, then there is no shot.

If this were a Blarge while prior to A1's release, would you count the basket?

[Adam]

It's vital to know which happened first.

If it's A's foul, then B's foul never happened.
If it's B's foul, then you have a false double foul, penalize in order of occurance. A1 shoots three, then B gets the ball at the spot nearest the foul. (assuming the shot wasn't released yet). B's foul is still a shooting foul, even though the shot won't be released before the ball becomes dead.
If A had released the shot, you'd base the number of FTs on whether the basket is made.

Simultaneous? Go to POI.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This option is only available if

• B1 fouls A1 during the try and...
• A2 fouls B2 after the release and...
• the try does not go in

If the shooting foul occurs prior to the rebounding foul, the shooting foul would be penalized, even if the shot isn't released while the ball is live.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Adam

If the shooting foul occurs prior to the rebounding foul, the shooting foul would be penalized, even if the shot isn't released while the ball is live.

Not that I don't believe you, but can you give me the rules reference so I can look it up later? (I always need to read the actual citation for myself)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Not that I don't believe you, but can you give me the rules reference so I can look it up later? (I always need to read the actual citation for myself)

I'll have to look tonight when I get home, but I don't recall a rule that would tell us to disregard the free throws on a shooting foul just because the shot wasn't released while the ball was live. If he never released it at all, you'd give him 3 shots. If it was the end of a quarter, you'd give him 3 shots. Why not here?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Adam

I'll have to look tonight when I get home, but I don't recall a rule that would tell us to disregard the free throws on a shooting foul just because the shot wasn't released while the ball was live. If he never released it at all, you'd give him 3 shots. If it was the end of a quarter, you'd give him 3 shots. Why not here?

You may be right. But in practical terms, if both fouls occur before the release, I don't see any crew I'm on going with anything but a simultaneous.