Interesting Play

[Remington]

https://youtu.be/nVCSGbbuXBg

Had a coach send this to me and I've never seen this in a game.

4.44.5 SITUATION B:

A1 dives for a loose ball and slides after gaining control. A1 is in a position either on the back or stomach. What can A1 do without violating?

RULING: A1 may pass, shoot, start a dribble or request a time-out. Once A1 has the ball and is no longer sliding, the player may not roll over. If flat on the back, A1 may sit up without violating. Any attempt to get to the feet is traveling unless A1 is dribbling. It is also traveling if A1 puts the ball on the floor, then rises and is first to touch the ball. (4-44-5b)

[BillyMac]

Thanks Remington. Nice video.

She tried to get up and then started a dribble. Illegal. Would have been legal if she started a dribble and then got up.

Smart player, she just "missed it by that much" (no pun intended).

[Raymond]

[JRutledge]

I have a legal play. She did not get up until she dribbled. Nothing in the rules says you cannot get to your knees that I am aware of.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have a legal play. She did not get up until she dribbled. Nothing in the rules says you cannot get to your knees that I am aware of.

The interpretation doesn't say "get up" it says "any attempt to get to the feet" is traveling unless A1 is dribbling.

In the video, in my opinion, A1 is attempting to get to her feet before starting her dribble.

This is poorly worded interpretation. What does attempt to get up mean?

Is going from flat on the floor to her knees the beginning of an attempt to get up?

What does "roll over" mean? 90 degrees? 180 degrees? 360 degrees?

It's a good thing that I carry a protector with the extra whistle in my pocket.

These seem to be subjective judgement calls.

4-44-5-B: A player holding the ball: After gaining control while on the floor and touching with other than hand or foot, may not attempt to get up or stand.

4.44.5 SITUATION B: A1 dives for a loose ball and slides after gaining control. A1 is in a position either on his/her back or stomach. What can A1 do without violating? RULING: A1 may pass, shoot, start a dribble or request a time-out. Once A1 has the ball and is no longer sliding, he/she may not roll over. If flat on his/her back, A1 may sit up without violating. Any attempt to get to the feet is traveling unless A1 is dribbling. It is also traveling if A1 puts the ball on the floor, then rises and is first to touch the ball. (4-44-5b)

[JRutledge]

Before I commented I was very aware of the rule. Unless they clarify what it means to get up that will be a hole in the rule. Nothing to me by rule suggests that being on both knees is an attempt to get up. Simply there is no support for this other than some personal stance. If you can sit up on your butt and that is OK, then why would coming to both of your knees and then dribbling be an issue? Again the rules makers could suggest that one is OK and the other is not. I am not calling at thing on this play at all.

Peace

[Raymond]

How is getting on one's knees the same as trying to get on one's feet?

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[Raymond]

If she were laying on her back, or sitting on her butt, or prone on her side, it would be legal for her to start a dribble and then rise up.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

If she were laying on her back, or sitting on her butt, or prone on her side, it would be legal for her to start a dribble and then rise up.

Absolutely agree, but she did none of those in the video, so those situations were not broached.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Absolutely agree, but she did none of those in the video, so those situations were not broached.

It's always legal to dribble and then stand up or sit down or roll over, so I don't know why everybody needed to agree that if she's on her knees it's legal for her to dribble and then stand up.

That is not something we needed confirmation for.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

It's always legal to dribble and then stand up or sit down or roll over, so I don't know why everybody needed to agree that if she's on her knees it's legal for her to dribble and then stand up.

Because it was the one thing that we could all agree on, for the obvious reasons as stated by Raymond.

Everything else was less obvious.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Because it was the one thing that we could all agree on, for the obvious reasons as stated by Raymond.

If that was the conclusion of that conversation, it was a very fruitful.

I had a discussion with my neighbor yesterday about climate change and we agreed that the earth revolves around the sun.

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[Sharpshooternes]

We were debating this tonight. How do you judge rolling over either from the stomach or the back? Is it from stomach to back or back to stomach that is illegal? To the side? So many degrees? We've read and found all of the rules and case book plays previously mentioned but can't conclude about the rolling over part.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

We were debating this tonight. How do you judge rolling over either from the stomach or the back? Is it from stomach to back or back to stomach that is illegal? To the side? So many degrees? We've read and found all of the rules and case book plays previously mentioned but can't conclude about the rolling over part.

It's not defined in the books or interps.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It's not defined in the books or interps.

... and Funk and Wagnalls weren't very helpful: To turn around, or partly turn around.

Yeah. Thank you Funk. Thank you Wagnalls. For nothing.