Roll Your Own. NOT.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

What is wrong with the drawstring? That makes one size fit a wide range.

The rolling of the waistbands is fully unnecessary.

Does the drawstring shorten the length of the shorts?

It may or may not be unnecessary, but that doesn't mean it's something we should have to be involved in. Kids wear all sorts of unnecessary accessories that are legal under the rules.

This is not a safety issue and the interpretation is a solution in search of a problem. More fashion police rules is not something the game needs when I bet there will still be a significant percentage of officials who won't enforce it.

The way Raymond and Bob handle it in college games is the way it should be treated in high school.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SC Official

The way Raymond and Bob handle it in college games is the way it should be treated in high school.

I think you mean "HS should adopt the NCAA rule / interp on this."

It should be handled under all rules sets the way that rules set (including state adoptions, etc.) says to handle it.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think you mean "HS should adopt the NCAA rule / interp on this."

It should be handled under all rules sets the way that rules set (including state adoptions, etc.) says to handle it.

What is the NCAA interp on this? I believe the applicable rules are the same (i.e. must wear as manufacturer intended, nothing else about rolling).

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SC Official

What is the NCAA interp on this? I believe the applicable rules are the same (i.e. must wear as manufacturer intended, nothing else about rolling).

NCAAW, at least, has a specific interp that rolling is allowed unless it results in multiple logos.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SC Official

What is the NCAA interp on this? I believe the applicable rules are the same (i.e. must wear as manufacturer intended, nothing else about rolling).

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

NCAAW, at least, has a specific interp that rolling is allowed unless it results in multiple logos.

NCAA-Men's has nothing about rolling in the rule or case book. One year it was brought up during preseason clinics and that's where I got the interp I enforce, which is not to allow a logo to show when the shorts are rolled.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Raymond

NCAA-Men's has nothing about rolling in the rule or case book. One year it was brought up during preseason clinics and that's where I got the interp I enforce, which is not to allow a logo to show when the shorts are rolled.

Which is the way I've enforced it in HS games the past few years. Not anymore, though I still think we'll have plenty of officials who ignore it.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Does the drawstring shorten the length of the shorts?

It may or may not be unnecessary, but that doesn't mean it's something we should have to be involved in. Kids wear all sorts of unnecessary accessories that are legal under the rules.

This is not a safety issue and the interpretation is a solution in search of a problem. More fashion police rules is not something the game needs when I bet there will still be a significant percentage of officials who won't enforce it.

The way Raymond and Bob handle it in college games is the way it should be treated in high school.

Most of the teams I've seen that do this have new/newer shorts, not old hand-me-downs. They shouldn't buy them long if the kids don't like them. That isn't our problem. The NFHS wants the uniform worn as designed for various reasons. I don't like dealing with it, but I don't get to make the rule.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Most of the teams I've seen that do this have new/newer shorts, not old hand-me-downs. They shouldn't buy them long if the kids don't like them. That isn't our problem. The NFHS wants the uniform worn as designed for various reasons. I don't like dealing with it, but I don't get to make the rule.

My son's school is sponsored by a sports company, and they are given a new set of uniforms each year--sized, of course, to the varsity. That set, with the extra long current style shorts, get handed down to JV the next year, and then to the frosh. If the frosh can't roll them, I think a couple of those guards will have shorts dragging on the floor. . . .

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

My son's school is sponsored by a sports company, and they are given a new set of uniforms each year--sized, of course, to the varsity. That set, with the extra long current style shorts, get handed down to JV the next year, and then to the frosh. If the frosh can't roll them, I think a couple of those guards will have shorts dragging on the floor. . . .

And as such, we don't enforce this item with freshman teams. This is applied to varsity teams that have proper uniforms and have no valid reason to roll them other than to just wanting to.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Most of the teams I've seen that do this have new/newer shorts, not old hand-me-downs. They shouldn't buy them long if the kids don't like them. That isn't our problem. The NFHS wants the uniform worn as designed for various reasons. I don't like dealing with it, but I don't get to make the rule.

I know what the NFHS wants and will enforce it as such unless our powers-that-be give us clear direction to the contrary. But it's still stupid.

[Amesman]

Like Rut, I'm glad to have some official interp on this -- and particularly like the sweep of telling the coach to take care of it. Have spent increasing amounts of time in pre-game warm-ups telling players, including a LOT of boys, that they aren't supposed to roll. (It's a "cool" thing apparently.)

The kicker always is that you'll get eye contact with 2-3 of them and they'll start to comply and yet others nearby -- who clearly heard the discussion -- wait to be told they also have the same rule to follow.

And now that I'm typing this, let's not get started on the number of them who comply in the moment and then some time later, sometimes just a moment or two, try to get in the game with ... shorts rolled again. Sigh.