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Old Thu Oct 11, 2018, 05:14pm
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I have an email out to my local interpreter, and the state interpreter, asking about enforcement of this recent annual interpretation.
Got a response. Actually no response. It's on its way up the IAABO ladder, possibly all the way up to the IAABO Grand Imperial Poobah.

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Old Thu Oct 11, 2018, 08:53pm
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Also because uniforms get passed down year after year and the shorts don't fit, so players roll the waistband to compensate. Of course that's not our problem, but it's only an issue because the NFHS has decided to make it so. Why did they have to stick their nose in this?
What is wrong with the drawstring? That makes one size fit a wide range.

The rolling of the waistbands is fully unnecessary.
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Old Thu Oct 11, 2018, 10:23pm
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Scan the above article until you reach the part discussing the length of his shorts and the issue it caused during a tournament in Vegas.
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Old Fri Oct 12, 2018, 02:57am
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Scan the above article until you reach the part discussing the length of his shorts and the issue it caused during a tournament in Vegas.
LOVELY QUOTE FROM THE ARTICLE:
"If you question how seriously Green takes his shorts, keep this in mind: After learning about the Nevada rule preventing players from rolling their shorts, the family canceled its plans to move to Las Vegas and have Jalen transfer to basketball power Findlay Prep.
"No, seriously.
"As soon as they said that, as soon as that happened, we already were saying that in the crowd, 'Well, guess we ain't going to Vegas. We ain't moving to Nevada,'" Marcus told CBS Sports. "And as soon as he came off the court, and the game was over, he was like, 'Yeah we're not moving to Nevada. If I can't roll my shorts I can't do it.' And so there it is. That killed it."
"Don't mess with this young man and his short shorts."


Parents aiding and abetting crass, self-absorbed me-ism.
Would be funny if Findlay Prep and the schools they play adopted the NFHS Interpretation. The parents would have to buy a new house somewhere else.

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Old Fri Oct 12, 2018, 06:51am
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What is wrong with the drawstring? That makes one size fit a wide range.

The rolling of the waistbands is fully unnecessary.
Does the drawstring shorten the length of the shorts?

It may or may not be unnecessary, but that doesn't mean it's something we should have to be involved in. Kids wear all sorts of unnecessary accessories that are legal under the rules.

This is not a safety issue and the interpretation is a solution in search of a problem. More fashion police rules is not something the game needs when I bet there will still be a significant percentage of officials who won't enforce it.

The way Raymond and Bob handle it in college games is the way it should be treated in high school.
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Old Fri Oct 12, 2018, 07:12am
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The way Raymond and Bob handle it in college games is the way it should be treated in high school.
I think you mean "HS should adopt the NCAA rule / interp on this."

It should be handled under all rules sets the way that rules set (including state adoptions, etc.) says to handle it.
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Old Fri Oct 12, 2018, 07:39am
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I think you mean "HS should adopt the NCAA rule / interp on this."

It should be handled under all rules sets the way that rules set (including state adoptions, etc.) says to handle it.
What is the NCAA interp on this? I believe the applicable rules are the same (i.e. must wear as manufacturer intended, nothing else about rolling).
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Old Fri Oct 12, 2018, 07:56am
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What is the NCAA interp on this? I believe the applicable rules are the same (i.e. must wear as manufacturer intended, nothing else about rolling).
NCAAW, at least, has a specific interp that rolling is allowed unless it results in multiple logos.
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Old Fri Oct 12, 2018, 08:32am
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What is the NCAA interp on this? I believe the applicable rules are the same (i.e. must wear as manufacturer intended, nothing else about rolling).
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NCAAW, at least, has a specific interp that rolling is allowed unless it results in multiple logos.
NCAA-Men's has nothing about rolling in the rule or case book. One year it was brought up during preseason clinics and that's where I got the interp I enforce, which is not to allow a logo to show when the shorts are rolled.
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Old Fri Oct 12, 2018, 08:46am
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NCAA-Men's has nothing about rolling in the rule or case book. One year it was brought up during preseason clinics and that's where I got the interp I enforce, which is not to allow a logo to show when the shorts are rolled.
Which is the way I've enforced it in HS games the past few years. Not anymore, though I still think we'll have plenty of officials who ignore it.
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Old Fri Oct 12, 2018, 09:04am
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After learning about the Nevada rule preventing players from rolling their shorts, the family canceled its plans to move to Las Vegas and have Jalen transfer to basketball power Findlay Prep ... If I can't roll my shorts I can't do it.' And so there it is. That killed it." "Don't mess with this young man and his short shorts."
Sounds like a Sports Illustrated Sign of the Apocalypse.

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Old Fri Oct 12, 2018, 11:39am
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Does the drawstring shorten the length of the shorts?

It may or may not be unnecessary, but that doesn't mean it's something we should have to be involved in. Kids wear all sorts of unnecessary accessories that are legal under the rules.

This is not a safety issue and the interpretation is a solution in search of a problem. More fashion police rules is not something the game needs when I bet there will still be a significant percentage of officials who won't enforce it.

The way Raymond and Bob handle it in college games is the way it should be treated in high school.
Most of the teams I've seen that do this have new/newer shorts, not old hand-me-downs. They shouldn't buy them long if the kids don't like them. That isn't our problem. The NFHS wants the uniform worn as designed for various reasons. I don't like dealing with it, but I don't get to make the rule.
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Old Fri Oct 12, 2018, 12:09pm
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Most of the teams I've seen that do this have new/newer shorts, not old hand-me-downs. They shouldn't buy them long if the kids don't like them. That isn't our problem. The NFHS wants the uniform worn as designed for various reasons. I don't like dealing with it, but I don't get to make the rule.
My son's school is sponsored by a sports company, and they are given a new set of uniforms each year--sized, of course, to the varsity. That set, with the extra long current style shorts, get handed down to JV the next year, and then to the frosh. If the frosh can't roll them, I think a couple of those guards will have shorts dragging on the floor. . . .
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Old Fri Oct 12, 2018, 12:57pm
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Most of the teams I've seen that do this have new/newer shorts, not old hand-me-downs. They shouldn't buy them long if the kids don't like them. That isn't our problem. The NFHS wants the uniform worn as designed for various reasons. I don't like dealing with it, but I don't get to make the rule.
I know what the NFHS wants and will enforce it as such unless our powers-that-be give us clear direction to the contrary. But it's still stupid.
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Old Fri Oct 12, 2018, 01:57pm
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Like Rut, I'm glad to have some official interp on this -- and particularly like the sweep of telling the coach to take care of it. Have spent increasing amounts of time in pre-game warm-ups telling players, including a LOT of boys, that they aren't supposed to roll. (It's a "cool" thing apparently.)

The kicker always is that you'll get eye contact with 2-3 of them and they'll start to comply and yet others nearby -- who clearly heard the discussion -- wait to be told they also have the same rule to follow.

And now that I'm typing this, let's not get started on the number of them who comply in the moment and then some time later, sometimes just a moment or two, try to get in the game with ... shorts rolled again. Sigh.
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