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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

In my experience, most travel ball "coaches" and tournament directors couldn't care less if they get varsity- or college-caliber officiating on their games, if they even know what that really entails. They just want officials to "let 'em play," call obvious fouls, and keep the games on schedule. Many times the incidents happen when you actually have a good official on the court who knows how to work and doesn't put up with the BS.

I don't feel sorry one bit for travel ball coaches, players, TDs, or parents. They've created an environment that most good officials have no desire to be a part of. Paying a fair amount for 3-person crews would be a start if they really care about having more varsity/college officials on their games.

Most of the time I work any AAU ball is at a college camp. And I used to go to this camp in Indiana where the talent was above average and every year there were about 3 or 4 coaches removed by police almost every year. At least we were empowered by the supervisor to actually T up coaches too. Now the people at this camp where often college officials with some exceptions and either on the staff of the camp director's leagues or worked college for someone else. Most officials were better than the average high school officials and the coaches still acted out. So even if they paid for 3-person for every game, they still would not get a lot of top officials to work those games just for the principle of the matter.

Peace

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Most of the time I work any AAU ball is at a college camp. And I used to go to this camp in Indiana where the talent was above average and every year there were about 3 or 4 coaches removed by police almost every year. At least we were empowered by the supervisor to actually T up coaches too. Now the people at this camp where often college officials with some exceptions and either on the staff of the camp director's leagues or worked college for someone else. Most officials were better than the average high school officials and the coaches still acted out. So even if they paid for 3-person for every game, they still would not get a lot of top officials to work those games just for the principle of the matter.

Exactly the point I was trying to make.

Coaches at these tournaments are prone to acting up regardless of the caliber of officiating. There's just no accountability more often than not; when you ask why, the answer is normally "They paid to be here." And the way we define a good official is often much different than the way these coaches would. Heck, just look at the Lavar Ball incident last summer–Division 1 officials on his court and that wasn't good enough for him. Very rarely are we dealing with real scholastic coaches (who more often than not are used to conducting themselves in a positive manner) in these settings.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

... scholastic coaches (who more often than not are used to conducting themselves in a positive manner) ...

Agree. Because they have to answer to athletic directors, principals, superintendents, boards of education, and interscholastic high school sports governing bodies (and I'll throw in parents, and a town full of taxpayers, and voters).

Who do AAU coaches have to answer to? The parents? The head of their local AAU organization (who may be a coach)? It's a very short list.

[Multiple Sports]

Most of these so called AAU coaches are the same people that are screaming at
referees in the winter during high school games. I have been fortunate enough the last 4 - 5 years to work an EYBL session or two. They are great for the most part and the coaches are well behaved. You rarely don't hear the old "ball don't lie" line. Teams like Team Takeover, NY Rens, Houston Hoops have great coaches who are a pleasure to work for and the kids at the 17U level are well behaved as well.

I do think at some of the more local AAU events that assigners don't care and if you work more than three games in a row, then whatever grief you get is on you. Some guys don't switch and will walk up and down the court.

I've seen Scott Foster lose it on AAU referees on more than one occasion.....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

I've seen Scott Foster lose it on AAU referees on more than one occasion.....

Can you give a context here? Lose it for what?

Peace

[Texas Aggie]

Most officials were better than the average high school officials and the coaches still acted out.

This is what I always tell people when they talk about having "better" officials. i was at a camp once watching a game where the 3 man crew consisted of experienced small college officials, all of whom were being looked at for DI hiring. A coach was acting stupid and was essentially begging for a T. There was nothing wrong with the calls. I know of dozens, even hundreds, of other examples. You hear this for NCAA and NBA games. Not that I think all those guys are great but most are indeed competent.

3 of the best officials on this forum could go work an 8th grade game somewhere with one coach who loves to complain and carry on. He'd do that in that game too.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Can you give a context here? Lose it for what?

Peace

I have a friend who had to deal with Foster in an AAU game. Forget if he T'd him up or not, but he said after the game that he and Foster had a friendly conversation.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I have a friend who had to deal with Foster in an AAU game. Forget if he T'd him up or not, but he said after the game that he and Foster had a friendly conversation.

Shameful that an NBA ref would act like a buffoon at an AAU game. I don't care how many Finals you've worked.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Most of these so called AAU coaches are the same people that are screaming at
referees in the winter during high school games. I have been fortunate enough the last 4 - 5 years to work an EYBL session or two. They are great for the most part and the coaches are well behaved. You rarely don't hear the old "ball don't lie" line. Teams like Team Takeover, NY Rens, Houston Hoops have great coaches who are a pleasure to work for and the kids at the 17U level are well behaved as well.

I do think at some of the more local AAU events that assigners don't care and if you work more than three games in a row, then whatever grief you get is on you. Some guys don't switch and will walk up and down the court.

I've seen Scott Foster lose it on AAU referees on more than one occasion.....

How many of them took care of business on #48?

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

I've seen Scott Foster lose it on AAU referees on more than one occasion.....

Not surprising given his demeanor on the court, especially in game 7 Rockets-Warriors when the shot clock guy messed up twice in the 1Q and Foster went over and slapped the table in front of him.

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[Player989random]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

I've seen Scott Foster lose it on AAU referees on more than one occasion.....

To be perfectly honest, getting mad at AAU refs is like screaming at the sun in Arizona during August: You knew what this was when you signed up. You're getting underpaid and overworked refs who are there for the money.

"Don't take the games if you can't perform", GTFO brah, I got rent to pay. I got college books to buy. I got gas to get. I'm taking these 7 games in cash on Saturday and you can bet I'll be back for 5 more on Sunday. Back when I did AAU I hated it when I went to camps with dudes making $1000+ per game lecturing me on how to work games worth $25 and that I had to give my all or I was cheating the kids.

"He forgot where he came from" is all I got to say to that.

[deecee]

Player99 - great point

In AAU if a coach wont leave just walk across the court and say loudly to the clock "give me a 1 minute timer, if coach ABC isn't completely out of the gym team forfeits."

The parents get the coach out pretty quickly, or the coach takes the team off the court and either way you are done with having to babysit fools. I had one of these only and the coach was sent out and when he tried to come back to watch I made it clear hes gone from the venue or the team is gone from the game. But I also had a no-nonsense rep with the parents as most parents play the circuit year after year.

You have to be firm and consistent in AAU otherwise you get eaten alive.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by deecee

You have to be firm and consistent ... otherwise you get eaten alive.

Great advice. This is true for any level game, middle school up to high school varsity, recreation games, travel games, AAU games, men's league games, etc., and for any situation, not just ejections. Let the kids play ball, let the spotlight be on the kids, but when the whistle sounds, the official is in complete charge.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Player989random

To be perfectly honest, getting mad at AAU refs is like screaming at the sun in Arizona during August: You knew what this was when you signed up. You're getting underpaid and overworked refs who are there for the money.

"Don't take the games if you can't perform", GTFO brah, I got rent to pay. I got college books to buy. I got gas to get. I'm taking these 7 games in cash on Saturday and you can bet I'll be back for 5 more on Sunday. Back when I did AAU I hated it when I went to camps with dudes making $1000+ per game lecturing me on how to work games worth $25 and that I had to give my all or I was cheating the kids.

"He forgot where he came from" is all I got to say to that.

All. Of. This.

Originally Posted by deecee

Player99 - great point

In AAU if a coach wont leave just walk across the court and say loudly to the clock "give me a 1 minute timer, if coach ABC isn't completely out of the gym team forfeits."

The parents get the coach out pretty quickly, or the coach takes the team off the court and either way you are done with having to babysit fools. I had one of these only and the coach was sent out and when he tried to come back to watch I made it clear hes gone from the venue or the team is gone from the game. But I also had a no-nonsense rep with the parents as most parents play the circuit year after year.

You have to be firm and consistent in AAU otherwise you get eaten alive.

Amen.

And don't get me started on refs that won't do what you did because "it's not fair to the kids." You know what else isn't fair? Officials getting paid pennies to put up with a**hat coaches, players, and fans while the tournament directors load their wallets and, in many cases, refuse to pay for 3-man crews. Sorry, but if some fake travel ball coach wants to show his ass, he and his kids should pay the price, and I don't really care.