Mechanics and clock situations (Video)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It isn't all or nothing. It is definite or nothing. If you got to 8 in the backcourt, you can take off that 8. If then, in the FC, you got to 4 on the 5 count 3 times, you can take off 12 more. You can't take off for the gaps between the counts unless, for some reason, you were counting then too. You take off any seconds you know to have elapsed and don't fudge for the gaps where you don't know how long it was.

Is anyone seriously suggesting this is what you do?

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Why? That is how the rules say to handle it. If they want us to guess and make up something, they'd change the rule to remove definite knowledge and say just wing it.

Again, not sure anyone said, "wing it." But if you know the clock was stopped and you look up and the clock never moved, then you can take some time off the clock based on what you know should have gone off. Not an exact science but it would be reasonable to always take a second off in those situations. You might take off more if there were multiple dribbles or slow movement up the court. Either way, how is anyone going to really know but you? And you can ask for some information from table people and sometimes even a coach or two might have some insight, but in the end, this is your decision.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Is anyone seriously suggesting this is what you do?



Again, not sure anyone said, "wing it." But if you know the clock was stopped and you look up and the clock never moved, then you can take some time off the clock based on what you know should have gone off. Not an exact science but it would be reasonable to always take a second off in those situations. You might take off more if there were multiple dribbles or slow movement up the court. Either way, how is anyone going to really know but you? And you can ask for some information from table people and sometimes even a coach or two might have some insight, but in the end, this is your decision.

Peace

MSU, again.

[JRutledge]

I do not recall that none of us have to answer to you or anyone on this board about this issue. Your interpretation of the rule is fine, where you live.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not recall that none of us have to answer to you or anyone on this board about this issue. Your interpretation of the rule is fine, where you live.

Peace

A double negative??? So you do have to answer to Camron?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

A double negative??? So you do have to answer to Camron?

No. Keep it moving.

Peace

[just another ref]

In play one, if the C doesn't make a preliminary signal, is it okay if the lead changes his own call and reports the block? Either because of a word by the C, or simply because he realizes after the fact that this is the correct call?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

... is it okay if the lead changes his own call ... simply because he realizes after the fact that this is the correct call?

Great question just another ref. I'd like to rephrase to be sure I understand the question.

Are you saying, in the simple situation (one whistle, one preliminary signal) of an official giving a preliminary signal (outside any other conflicting signals, or communications with partner), may an official change his mind at any time up to his reporting to the table from the reporting area?

Also, can the preliminary signal by one official be immediately changed to a different preliminary signal by the same official?

Let the games begin.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

In play one, if the C doesn't make a preliminary signal, is it okay if the lead changes his own call and reports the block? Either because of a word by the C, or simply because he realizes after the fact that this is the correct call?

I guess anything is possible if it is all in your mind.

Peace