Mechanics and clock situations (Video)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Another, "We are making this way too complicated" situation.

If you know the clock was supposed run, take some time off the clock. What it means as definite knowledge is really not that deep. Yes the NCAA has an exact time that should at the very least come off the clock, but what if more than .3 should have come off the clock? Can people stop making something that is not that hard so complicated?

Peace

It makes it hard to keep it simple when there are those who suggest that something be done that is counter to the rules. The simple thing is to take off whatever time you "know" to have elapsed, not guess at some number.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It makes it hard to keep it simple when there are those who suggest that something be done that is counter to the rules. The simple thing is to take off whatever time you "know" to have elapsed, not guess at some number.

Well, there are still people that make that complicated. Taking time off is not an exact science. So if you take off 7 seconds as opposed to 5 seconds, there are people that will claim you do not have definite knowledge to make the distinction.

Peace

[UNIgiantslayers]

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...situation.html

[ilyazhito]

We've beaten the clock bungling horse to death, but what have you to say about the blarge? It looks to me as though the lead was oblivious to the center official's foul signal, and should have let him have the call. However, after both officials made their calls, the situation was handled properly. The team on offense at the time of the foul regained the ball at the point of interruption, and the game continued from there, albeit with somewhat less credibility for the officials.

[UNIgiantslayers]

Imagine this exact situation, only the ball was already in the FC in opposite corner as C, and C makes a PC call while L (who had a great look and was in his PCA) had a block. We had to go double foul as well, and that made for a long night. That ball watching partner is the lone amigo on my blocked partners list after that one.

This is a pretty visible situation for that crew, unfortunately. They messed up during the play but they at least adjudicated it correctly following the blarge mishap.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

We've beaten the clock bungling horse to death, but what have you to say about the blarge? It looks to me as though the lead was oblivious to the center official's foul signal, and should have let him have the call. However, after both officials made their calls, the situation was handled properly. The team on offense at the time of the foul regained the ball at the point of interruption, and the game continued from there, albeit with somewhat less credibility for the officials.

If they had discussed this in the pre-game and took the position of many that the this is the lead's play, then not sure why we would care what the lead is doing here? The Center or outside official on these plays is usually the one that is told to not signal at all. So if there was a pre-game with that position, then the lead is doing what was expected.

Peace

[ilyazhito]

I guess so. The CCA manual recommends that an out-of-area official wanting a call should make an extra blast on his whistle, and that is what the C would have done in an NCAA game, if it was pregamed that it was the lead's play. Is there a similar procedure in the NFHS manual?

However, the play on the video was on the center official's side of the court, so he should be the one responsible. If it was me as the center, I would have made the call, because it was on my side, and I had the better angle. On center-side drives, C is the primary official, transition or no transition, and the Lead's interjection started this whole kettle of fish.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

I guess so. The CCA manual recommends that an out-of-area official wanting a call should make an extra blast on his whistle, and that is what the C would have done in an NCAA game, if it was pregamed that it was the lead's play. Is there a similar procedure in the NFHS manual?

However, the play on the video was on the center official's side of the court, so he should be the one responsible. If it was me as the center, I would have made the call, because it was on my side, and I had the better angle. On center-side drives, C is the primary official, transition or no transition, and the Lead's interjection started this whole kettle of fish.

The problem as I see it you keep talking in absolutes when there are no absolutes in these situations. The play was in transition, so there is no primary coverage area clearly defined at that point of the play. Then you have a situation that even if it was the Center's call, the Lead took a play that they normally take or would normally make a decision on as it is coming to them. This is also not a college game so the CCA manual means nothing here.

Since you mentioned what was discussed in the pre-game as that would prevent this situation, I have to ask what would be resolved if you have officials that disagree on how this was to be handled? At most camps and training I have attended, usually, the position is that the C or T simply "post" their foul and do nothing until they are absolutely sure no one else has a whistle. When it is clear that they are alone, they can make a signal. But the C in this case took a long time to make his call and I am wondering if he was not sure what he was going to call as opposed to not seeing the L when he blew his whistle? There would be no blarge/double foul if the C just kept his arm up in the air and did nothing. This situation certainly was a play where you would almost have to suspect there will be another official making a call here. Again the problem as I see it is you have to decipher what philosophy is going to prevail and this has many elements to it for sure.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

However, the play on the video was on the center official's side of the court, so he should be the one responsible. If it was me as the center, I would have made the call, because it was on my side, and I had the better angle. On center-side drives, C is the primary official, transition or no transition, and the Lead's interjection started this whole kettle of fish.

That drive was right down the middle. The contact even happened on the L's side of the lane. Normally, I'd say this is the L's call. That said, the L was way out of position to make that call and got it wrong as a result.