Duke/Kansas OOB in Last Minute

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Does anyone have the time of this play?

Peace

All in the 2nd half:

13:41 & 6:21--both plays where Kansas is ruled OOB (is contact sufficient for foul calls/should foul count be taken into account)

1:41 & 1:25--Kansas called for travel (correct call); Grayson Allen travels in a similar manner then gets fouled and sent to the FT line.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

1:41 --Kansas called for travel (correct call);

Are you sure that is the time? I did not see a foul called at that time. The Kansas player threw the ball out of bounds after being near the basket on a pass and drive.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Are you sure that is the time? I did not see a foul called at that time. The Kansas player threw the ball out of bounds after being near the basket on a pass and drive.

Peace

Yeah, I knew I might be off on that one. I'll dig some more into the play-by-play.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Yeah, I knew I might be off on that one. I'll dig some more into the play-by-play.

No problem, I just looked at the play and was not sure that was what you were referencing. We have time to get this play.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Raymond

All in the 2nd half:

13:41 & 6:21--both plays where Kansas is ruled OOB (is contact sufficient for foul calls/should foul count be taken into account)

1:41 & 1:25--Kansas called for travel (correct call); Grayson Allen travels in a similar manner then gets fouled and sent to the FT line.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Are you sure that is the time? I did not see a foul called at that time. The Kansas player threw the ball out of bounds after being near the basket on a pass and drive.

Peace

I'll see if I find a full copy of the game. The Kansas travel was in the middle of the paint at either 9:18 or 7:31 of the 2nd half. As I said, it was definitely a travel. But Allen does a similar move in the paint and was not called and ended up shooting free throws in a crucial situation while his team was up.

[Raymond]

Duke/Kansas Video request (Elite 8)

Originally Posted by Raymond

All in the 2nd half:

13:41 & 6:21--both plays where Kansas is ruled OOB (is contact sufficient for foul calls/should foul count be taken into account)

1:41 & 1:25--Kansas called for travel (correct call); Grayson Allen travels in a similar manner then gets fouled and sent to the FT line.

Below times are confirmed.

13:41 & 6:21 (2nd half) for OOB with contact plays.

9:18 & 1:25 (2nd half) for travel & no-travel calls.

Thanks Jeff.

[thedewed]

it is a great point that OOB is always called out on a1 if b1 is holding the ball and a1 pokes it, and that is the way it should be, but if you had super slo mo to review it, it's actually going to be touched last by a1 probably half the time. the other problem is when good officials pass on a gray over the back and give the possession on a rebound contest that goes out of bounds to the team with inside position, on review that's going to be a problem because the foul can't then be called. So officials that do that have to be more careful in the last 2 minutes to go ahead and call the foul.

Calling travel on a player pivoting that keeps the front part of his foot within an inch of the base of his toes isn't appropriate in my opinion, it is, after all, a pivot foot. That travel on KU you are talking about, player didn't lift his foot, pivoted a few times nervously but I don't think it was a travel

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by thedewed

it is a great point that OOB is always called out on a1 if b1 is holding the ball and a1 pokes it, and that is the way it should be,

Sometimes A1 pokes it away, but B1 might try to grasp the ball heading out of bounds. If B1 misses, it's B's ball. If B1 lightly touches it, it's A's ball.

With Aunt Mary recording every play in her nephew's fourth grade game, in regard to out of bounds plays, the days of officials, on any level, calling what's fair (or accepted) rather than what's factual are long gone.

To those of us who may want to go back to the good old days, wake up, and smell the coffee (or view it on video replay).